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Lost in Space unaired pilot vs. series

The trip was, at light speed, 4.3 years. The Jupiter 2 was supposed to be travelling slightly slower than light with the trip taking about 5 years. Plus time would be taken to set up the outpost station. I figure the radio message would beat them back by about a year.
 
The trip was at light speed, 98 years. So they report 98 years after liftoff that the planet was uninhabitable. They pack up, and arrive home about 5 minutes after their signal is received.

What? Alpha Centauri is only 4.3 light-years from Earth. It's the closest star system there is -- that's why it's such a popular target for colonization in fiction. So a signal traveling at lightspeed would only need 4.3 years to get from Alpha Centauri to Earth.

If their estimated travel time was 98 years, then they would've been traveling at only 4.4 percent of the speed of light -- which is actually a pretty reasonable velocity, although there are real-life proposals for methods that could get a ship up to 10-15% of c so that the journey could be made within a typical human lifetime.
 
The trip was at light speed, 98 years. So they report 98 years after liftoff that the planet was uninhabitable. They pack up, and arrive home about 5 minutes after their signal is received.

What? Alpha Centauri is only 4.3 light-years from Earth. It's the closest star system there is -- that's why it's such a popular target for colonization in fiction. So a signal traveling at lightspeed would only need 4.3 years to get from Alpha Centauri to Earth.

If their estimated travel time was 98 years, then they would've been traveling at only 4.4 percent of the speed of light -- which is actually a pretty reasonable velocity, although there are real-life proposals for methods that could get a ship up to 10-15% of c so that the journey could be made within a typical human lifetime.
That's a direct quote from the pilot, that they were travelling at light speed and the journey would be 98 years.

The science is non-existant, which is fine, although I would prefer they just ignore the science if they can't make it logical.

What you are pointing out makes sense, and I'm sure you could have written a much better script. Which is my complaint, the script sucks. The basic concept had a lot good ideas, but the execution was poor. So as I watch it, no, it doesn't leave me thinking that if they had stuck to the tone of the original pilot that it would have been a better show.

I know you've watched the 60s Batman carefully; have you noticed the different tone in the first two episodes with The Riddler as the bad guy? For me that is a better example of the "pilot" (first episodes) demonstrating how good the show could of been.
 
What you are pointing out makes sense, and I'm sure you could have written a much better script. Which is my complaint, the script sucks. The basic concept had a lot good ideas, but the execution was poor. So as I watch it, no, it doesn't leave me thinking that if they had stuck to the tone of the original pilot that it would have been a better show.

Actually my position is that the first season was, in fact, a better show than the second and third seasons. The first seven episodes in particular -- four of which incorporate nearly all of the original pilot -- represent the best of the series, the point when it had the best balance of characters and hadn't yet been dominated by Smith. No, it wasn't on the same level as The Twilight Zone or Star Trek, but it wasn't trying to be. It was a kids' show. It was imperfect, but it was reasonably good, and certainly better than what came later. There were some good episodes throughout the first season. And there were a few decent ones in the early third. Most of the rest, though, is a mess.


I know you've watched the 60s Batman carefully; have you noticed the different tone in the first two episodes with The Riddler as the bad guy? For me that is a better example of the "pilot" (first episodes) demonstrating how good the show could of been.

The first two episodes of Batman are a bit more serious than what followed, but I don't agree that was better. Batman was a sitcom by design. The comics at the time -- or at least in the preceding years -- were quite intentionally bizarre and goofy and farcical; the Comics Code wouldn't allow them to be violent or dark, so they focused more on being fun and creatively bizarre. The show embraced that absurdity and ran with it, and at least in the first season it was one of the funniest, most innovative sitcoms of the decade. The pilot was more tentative than what followed; it didn't embrace the insanity to the degree that later episodes did. So no, I don't think it was better.

Now, I should make it clear that LiS is an entirely different matter. That's a show that started out as a fairly straightforward family adventure/drama with room for humor, then became more humorous over the first season as Jonathan Harris became the breakout star... and then completely retooled itself into camp in seasons 2-3 in an attempt to imitate Batman. Changing yourself to imitate something else is almost always a step down in quality. But Batman was always meant to be a campy comedy, because that's what the comics it was adapting were like in that era. So Batman was being true to its origins by embracing the camp, while LiS was departing from its origins by doing (its imitation of) the same. And partly for that reason, what worked in Batman (at least its first two seasons) was just embarrassing in LiS.

Interesting bit of trivia about the premiere episode, though -- Batman was originally meant to be an hourlong show, but at the last minute, after the first 2-3 episodes had been shot, the network decided it wanted a half-hour show, and so the producers had to cut those early hourlong episodes in half. So the show's famous 2-parter format with a cliffhanger in the middle came about pretty much by accident. Which is why the first couple of cliffhangers are rather bland compared to those that come later.
 
The designs were okay, and the casting wasn't too bad, though I feel it could've been better. But I don't know if a darker tone was "right." Darkness is trendy these days, but that doesn't make it intrinsically better. Sure, the backstory of LiS is fairly dark -- the Earth is suffering from severe overpopulation and needs to colonize space for its survival -- and the situation with the family being lost in the dangerous, uncharted depths of space has a lot of inherent menace. But the fundamental premise of the series is an optimistic one -- that we have it within us to tackle the unknown and survive it, and that a family standing together can withstand any challenge. So wallowing in dystopia and dysfunction is off the mark. There's no shortage of dark and cynical SF out there; what we could use more of is optimism.

Maybe, but if you're going to take the premise seriously at all, it seems to me you'd have to darken things up a little bit. Being completely cut off from home, and stranded on the other side of the galaxy or on an alien world, would be a pretty scary and dangerous thing, regardless of what positive and optimistic people the Robinson family were.

Not taking a premise like that seriously is where VOY went so wrong, and why everything that happened felt so boring and inconsequential. The last thing I want is another show like that.
 
^Nobody ever said that an optimistic story is one where everything is bright and sunny and cheerful. Of course not. Star Trek is the most prominent work of optimistic SF out there, but TOS featured invasions, murders, bigotry, planetary annihilation, the complete destruction of multiple starships, you name it. There was a lot of scary and dangerous stuff happening. What made it optimistic was that the characters were able to overcome all that by working together and standing by their principles.

Optimism, after all, is the belief that you can prevail over challenges and hardships. If nothing bad is happening, you don't need optimism.
 
It lost sight of the premise inherent in the title -- a family lost in space -- in favor of a convoluted time-travel plot that was really only done as an excuse to cast Bill Mumy as an adult Will, and that was thus rendered rather pointless once Mumy's Babylon 5 schedule required him to turn it down.

When the movie was released I remember it was said that Mumy wasn't offered that role, that producers decided he wasn't a good enough actor and offered him a cameo instead.

Doing some search I found a couple of articles:

http://www.angelfire.com/id/eyeballforrest/lisfaq.html
Q: Why didn't we see Jonathan Harris or Billy Mumy?
A: Jonathan Harris said "I don't do cameos.", even though he was offered the role of Dr. Smith's Sedition superior. The role of adult Will was written with Billy Mumy in mind, but the powers that be decided not to give him the role.


http://www.littlereview.com/getcritical/trektalk/mumy.htm
he wasn't as impressed with the offer of a cameo in the recent Lost in Space movie. "I was approached to do the same size of a role as Marta Kristen and Angela Cartwright did, and I didn't want to do that"
 
^Which makes it even more pointless that they contorted the plot to set up an appearance by the adult Will. If they only wanted Mumy for a cameo, they shouldn't have bothered with that whole time-travel mess in the first place.
 
Well I think the basic idea of future Will constructing a time machine to prevent his family from ever leaving Earth was a pretty good one; the problem was just with the bad execution, and how poorly they explained just what the hell was going on.

And of course the giant Spider-Smith monster who showed up at the end... for some reason.
 
^It might be a good idea for a time-travel movie. But the thing is called Lost in Space. You'd think they'd do at least one movie that's actually about being lost in space before starting to muck about with time. It's like, if they did a movie of The Time Tunnel, you wouldn't expect it to focus on Tony and Doug traveling into space. Sure, they did episodes like that, but not in the first installment. If you can't even tell a story that fits the title of your movie, then you're not doing it right.
 
Yeah I agree it was probably not the best story idea for the first movie. And even if it had been well-executed, it's just not the kind of story you go to a Lost in Space movie to see.

(Which was basically the same problem I had with the latest Trek movie. Even if the story had been told well, the last thing I wanted to see in a followup to the first movie was some... dark and gritty revenge thriller involving Khan as a terrorist. Ugh)
 
(Which was basically the same problem I had with the latest Trek movie. Even if the story had been told well, the last thing I wanted to see in a followup to the first movie was some... dark and gritty revenge thriller involving Khan as a terrorist. Ugh)

Which is more or less how I feel about The Wrath of Khan. :lol:
 
I didn't care for the '04 remake pilot at all. It was too big a departure and not very interesting in its own right.

Now, the rejected Time Tunnel remake pilot from around the same time was pretty darn good. That could've made an impressive show, and I'm disappointed it didn't get picked up.
 
The 2004 re-imagining was just awful. I'm surprised it wasn't a huge success. :rommie:

I haven't seen the Time Tunnel one. Maybe that's on YouTube, too.
 
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