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"Lost in Space" appreciation thread

Qonundrum

Qonundrum Graduated from Camp Ridiculous
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Yeah, it was made for kids and increasingly loaded with silly camp (e.g. Robot gets a birthday party and it sings), which helped solidify TOS's claim of being advertised as "adult sci-fi" in 1966 (even though the camp wasn't as prominent when TOS first came out (!!)), but kiddie or not it still has some decent ideas and not without fun or moments. (Added bonus for the blu-ray set for episodes with cast commentaries!)

It also helps to NOT look for a continuing saga in any conventional sense; pretend surrounding episodes hadn't happened and it helps prevent the irritation of "Dr Smith puts them all in danger as a gag, again." (even though many LiS episodes end by segueing into the next week's adventure with "To be continued..."!)

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More horror-centric, but the Saticons were nothing less than iconic.

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"The Anti-Matter Man" is an all-time classic, even if simplified to meet LiS's format. The lighting and direction were exceptional...

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1960s technobabble prevailing, this time-travel-to-1947 episode is surprisingly solid, even robust. Is surely a possible influence for DS9's "Little Green Men"?

"The Time Merchant" features a revelation that, had it not been for Dr Smith stowing away and adding weight not accounted for in navigation calculations, the ship would have been destroyed by a meteor collision. Nice touch.

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Season 3 revved up the excitement by putting the crew in peril then ramping up a countdown -- pretty slick, actually. Shame the rest of the episodes didn't always line up, but sometimes they had. Must have been really brill in 1967 to see this for the premiere...

If you think TOS could be casually sexist, LiS pretty much says "hold my beer".

But then there's this, since contrarians are cool:
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That episode surely wants you want to eat some carrots? A crappy episode that does the most bizarre turn at the final two minutes and becomes one of the creepiest and most sinister, for a misguided belief no less. Shame the previous 47 minutes were garbage, but nothing's perfect... usually you get a story that's really great for 47 minutes but then the reveal/cause is crap. So kudos to LiS for actually doing it the other way around.

And, yeah, "The Great Vegetable Rebellion" was one of television's three times where someone scrounging for ideas decided to have killer plants as a main driving plot element. Just treated badly. Even if the denouement has John being gentle to the big-ass carrot that was hurting them, with nice long speech. Space 1999 would borrow from this with the hideously bad "The Rulers of Luton" where the audience gets the biggest lesson as to why a script needs to be consistent with its material... but at least Doctor Who gave us "Terror of the Vervoids", which is by far the least annoying of the three and is more often than not genuinely robust.

All three seasons have something to offer that's genuinely good and not "cringe". What are some of the series' moments that you recall the most fondly?
 
I kinda liked the jailed criminal “Mirror Universe” version of the Robot, yelling at Will to get out of there and, if I recall correctly, singing “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” after he was gone…
 
I kinda liked the jailed criminal “Mirror Universe” version of the Robot, yelling at Will to get out of there and, if I recall correctly, singing “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” after he was gone…

Sometimes the campiness does work, I'll admit... Though the singing could be a bit much, even if I laughed right before rolling my eyes.

Season 2 did go over the top thanks to the Batman effect, of which season 3 felt like it was trying to take a step back from and take itself seriously again - for a while. It's a hard thing to pull off to do camp in the first place, for which Batman season 1 in particular managed a balance before it became "silly for silly sake" and proving that even Batman succumbed to its own effect...

But there is an enjoyable kitsch to LiS, where ideas then-new could be spotted re-used in newer shows, where LiS was onto something but didn't quite land it. Or, of course, reusing established tropes in newer and hopefully as-engaging ways.

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A recent YouTube snippet of interest was put up, an audio-based feature - which had some excellent remastering and restoration work. It definitely is "tongue in cheek" and, go figure, the questions vs the answers are quite interesting - even the announcer early on says with some resigned inflection that June remained a mother and asked about typecasting (with her fantastic response). The hyping up of the then-new color television is also a treat.
 
Like with all of Irwin's TV shows, the stories may be goofy, but the vehicles are awesome. I love the J2, the Robot, the laser guns.... the Seaview & Flying Sub, the Spindrift et al.
 
I was 8 when it premiered, and I was smitten!

Though seen through Grown-Up eyes, now, the imagination feeding and child-wonder Lost In Space engendered in me will always be with me!

Plus, both Theme Songs!!!
 
I was 8 when it premiered, and I was smitten!

:)

Wasn't born yet; likely saw it in reruns, even if Star Trek TOS was repeated constantly...

Though seen through Grown-Up eyes, now, the imagination feeding and child-wonder Lost In Space engendered in me will always be with me!

:)

That's part of the fun, and it does have nostalgic value among others. Especially if the episodes hold up- and LiS somehow manages it. I should give a fresh viewing to seasons 1 and 2 instead of yet-another-rewatch-of-3, and I do recall some other season 2 episodes like "The Mechanical Men" where alien robots that look like the Earth-built B9 come in without explanation and say B9 is their leader. I should rewatch, I don't think the story tried to connect the issue of how the alien robots looked like the Robinsons', but that's one of the fun things in re-viewing decades later of how much more the ideas could have been if taken down different avenues.

Plus, both Theme Songs!!!

The original has a kooky yet ethereal, otherworldly quality that fits really nicely... John Williams had the platinum touch, just watching a scene or story and knowing how to make a musical score that embraced and elevated it.

But season 3, ramping up the action motif combined with that really sweet countdown, really hit the nail on the head. I like them both, but 3 definitely had me glued to the set in anticipation of what was to follow the most. Even if some episodes got sillier than they needed to be.
 
I've watched a few episodes of the original, and I mostly enjoyed it. I like campy and silly, I love, love, love Batman '66 for example, but there were times in the later episodes I've seen where this just went so far into just completely non-sense that it even lost me.
 
I've watched a few episodes of the original, and I mostly enjoyed it. I like campy and silly, I love, love, love Batman '66 for example, but there were times in the later episodes I've seen where this just went so far into just completely non-sense that it even lost me.

IMHO, Camp and farce can be fun - I adored 'Batman '66' before it suffered from its own effect and became too superficial for its own good (early~mid season 2) and praise to every actor involved for working hard to elevate every single script, they deserve the iconic status and Alfred and Harriet rule. (interesting backstories for them, but I'm probably all-out preaching to the choir now...) A show that finds its own format really needs to cling to it as long as possible as a big format change doesn't always work (case in point is how Batman's quick success had an effect that cobbled of not ended a ton of shows thinking they could all be the same... when they couldn't... thankfully TOS didn't go too far into that avenue.)

But LiS? Season 1, dated or not, had some serious elements that had a charm, and Dr Smith having a flair of menace really made for a quick iconic group of people. Season 2 lands them on Planet Boredom and redoing the same trope too many times. With the Batman effect and thinking everyone and more would tune in just because. Season 3 course-corrected with more varied storytelling, not always wallowing in grotesque levels of campiness and even doing some outright horror and action again... but it was still "for children" and not enough of children of all ages kept watching :( ...

While all three seasons have examples of either encroaching or wallowing in outright camp*, and while season 3 made some serious attempts to step back from the debacle season 2 largely wallowed in, it also has some of the most infamous episodes in its TV history*** with the half-baked hippie episodes, otherwise potentially good if not near-classic stories with gaps in motivation or logic that (a) other shows would do, and (b) would otherwise cement the episodes a lot more strongly despite still creating some new ideas or exploring them well enough to roll with and work with them (Condemned of Space, The Space Creature, The Antimatter Man, Visit to a Hostile Planet, et al) , and must I mention the carrot episode (which is so pure farce that I actually somehow ended up liking it more than some of the other episodes even though I shouldn't be. It may have influenced certain stories of Space 1999 and Doctor Who later on as well -- that said, given the preferred format of the show, this episode is still horrendous and rightly deemed apocryphal by anyone sitting through it and I wouldn't try to defend it.)



* Especially season 2 onward for intentional levels of dumb, but thank Batman's astronomical success rubbing off on too many other shows (for which LiS, "Man from Uncle", and many others all suffered badly from as a result**​
** UGH!!!, pardon my editorializing​
*** Granted, "My Mother the Car", "Captain Nice", and so on may have still been _lower_, but LiS's worst episodes really do dragged down the show as a whole​
 
* Especially season 2 onward for intentional levels of dumb, but thank Batman's astronomical success rubbing off on too many other shows (for which LiS, "Man from Uncle", and many others all suffered badly from as a result**​
I think this brought to mind for me the difference between Batman's camp, and Lost in Space's camp. Batman's camp tended to be fairly clever, and kind of intelligent, as least as intelligent as camp can be, but Lost in Space was just dumb. Even at it's campiest Batman at least seemed to be trying to still make some sense, but Lost in Space turned into just total nonsense when it hit it's campiest point.
 
Lost in Space changed tone almost immediately. The first episode was as serious as it gets. Smith was downright terrifying under the lights and makeup. They started lightening him up quickly and he transforms over the first 5 episodes into someone who decides he needs the Robinson's, strikes up a friendship with Will, hides behind the ladies and starts his give and take with the robot. By episode 6, he was cowering behind the robot and scheming his way back home. He and the series made a turn about halfway through the season as the series embraced more fantasy and Harris started stealing the spotlight. Camp hit in the first season with Space Croppers - the Hillbillies in Space episode.

You hit all of the other changes well and it was one of the few Irwin Allen series to fluctuate so wildly from grim space family adventure into outsight comedy and then a mix of the two.

Where Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea maintained it's straight faced approach. No matter how the actual focus changed (from spies to SF to monsters every other week), the show was always played straight (maybe two episode could be considered intentional comedies). Lost in Space leaned into the absurdity and stripped the series of whatever credibility it had. By the time they reintroduced serious adventure, it was still outsized, and by then the cast was over it. I loved Guy Williams, but by the third season, he was pretty much barking all of his dialog. Always fun were Mark Goddard's near homicidal rages at Smith that season. Not totally convinced Goddard was acting there.

A fun show, but for me a full third to half is unwatchable bad children's theater.
 
I preferred the later season version of the theme song which was a bit boppier.

The Jupiter 2 will be one of my favourite TV spaceships alongside the Enterprise and the fighters from Buck Rogers. I always liked that design.

The Netflix series was the best version of this just a shame you can't get all 3 seasons as a set
 
The first 10 episodes was all I really need to watch it was a little more serious and Smith was downright homicidal in the first few episodes using the robot as a bargaining chip by threatening to crush a helmet with someone's head in it. I thought that line was quite dark and menacing.
 
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