Agreed. Jack will take Jacob's place. Flocke will remain in place and the struggle will continue throughout time. The show will end with another group coming to the island and Flocke telling Jack how much he wants to kill him.
Lost 6x09: "Ab Aeterno"
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Agreed. Jack will take Jacob's place. Flocke will remain in place and the struggle will continue throughout time. The show will end with another group coming to the island and Flocke telling Jack how much he wants to kill him.
Yeah, I can see the series ending at the start of a new loop.
This episode was easily an excellent, and blew away my expectations of 'The Richard episode.' Nester Carbonell absolutely rocked my socks off.
This episode was easily an excellent, and blew away my expectations of 'The Richard episode.' Nester Carbonell absolutely rocked my socks off.
This episode to me is the best one since Walkabout. It could be considered the best strictly on Nestor Carbonell performance.
So, they're going with the "obvious". How disappointing.
But, it was a good episode. I like the cork analogy - if that's the way they're going to go, that's a good bit.
Richard's wife did not die on the island, but appeared to Richard on the island. Ben's mother did not die on the island, but appeared to Ben on the island. Richard was suprised by Ben's revelation.
Has Ben always been manipulated by MIB?
If so, who/what controls the Temple? and the "healing" spring? and does it actually heal? or is it ... like a spring that comes up from an underground water supply, the "healing" spring is evil seeping out of the cork?
Still wondering about the kid and who made/enforces "the rules" - neither can kill the other.
Still not certain Jacob is entirely "good".
But, it was a good episode. I like the cork analogy - if that's the way they're going to go, that's a good bit.
Richard's wife did not die on the island, but appeared to Richard on the island. Ben's mother did not die on the island, but appeared to Ben on the island. Richard was suprised by Ben's revelation.
Has Ben always been manipulated by MIB?
If so, who/what controls the Temple? and the "healing" spring? and does it actually heal? or is it ... like a spring that comes up from an underground water supply, the "healing" spring is evil seeping out of the cork?
Still wondering about the kid and who made/enforces "the rules" - neither can kill the other.
Still not certain Jacob is entirely "good".
A pretty good episode, at least the best this season. I think the show was really begging for an episode that didn't focus on our main characters.
Now for a few questions:
- How can a hollow boat made of wood destroy a statue and not be destroyed itself? Further, after obliterating a statue, how does it have sufficient momentum to move so far inland?
- Inconsequential, but given the weather, is the Black Rock really the ship seen in "The Incident"?
- Why would Jacob summon the Black Rock right into the statue?
- Why was Richard the only one of the crew that was spared (or chosen by Jacob)? What was so special about Richard that didn't apply to other members of the crew?
- When Richard first sees Isabella on the ship, we hear the smoke monster sounds in the distance. They appear to be separate entities. How is it that Richard saw her ghost? Is this possibly similar to how Christian appeared?
Now for a few questions:
- How can a hollow boat made of wood destroy a statue and not be destroyed itself? Further, after obliterating a statue, how does it have sufficient momentum to move so far inland?
- Inconsequential, but given the weather, is the Black Rock really the ship seen in "The Incident"?
- Why would Jacob summon the Black Rock right into the statue?
- Why was Richard the only one of the crew that was spared (or chosen by Jacob)? What was so special about Richard that didn't apply to other members of the crew?
- When Richard first sees Isabella on the ship, we hear the smoke monster sounds in the distance. They appear to be separate entities. How is it that Richard saw her ghost? Is this possibly similar to how Christian appeared?
That actually makes sense.
Like I said, the episode simply fleshed out what we already knew or suspected. We didn't get anything really big on the level of finding out that people can teleport off the island. How the statue was destroyed and where the island was in the past were about the only big revelations we got.Minor answers? WTF. I just don't get some people.
Richard, this enigma for two and a half years, is finally explained in detail.
Ilana is here to protect the candidates.
JACOB FLAT OUT REVEALED WHY HE BRINGS PEOPLE TO THE ISLAND
I've been thinking that our losties will somehow break whatever cycle has been playing out across the ages. Guess we'll know for sure exactly two months from now.
I think the only answer are likely to get on this front is "because it's kewl".
I mean, it was pretty cool to see how the statue was destroyed, and I think they kind of just threw it in there for laughs. It doesn't make a lot of sense though. Fortunately it's not a very important plot point so can be overlooked as a minor indulgence (IMO).I'm sure there are limits to Jacob's power. I doubt he could control the ship's exact trajectory.
Richard was spared by MIB actually, I don't think Jacob was even aware of him till he came after him brandishing a knife. This was MIB's first attempt at "the loophole".
This is a good point. This is either a gaffe, or the animated dead don't work exactly like we think they do. Obviously smokey can appear as the dead (given FLocke), but I think there's more to it than that.
The necklace, a physical souvenir, seems to imply that Isabella was more than just a manifestation. Locke's dad being summoned to the island is another time we saw someone there who by rights should not be. I think there's some mechanism here that hasn't been explained yet.
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- The statue could have been some sort of plaster over a frame rather than solid all the way through. I didn't get a good look at the debris to be sure, but that's a possibility.
- I wondered about Isabella and the smoke monster sound as well. Since he's smoke, maybe part of him can manifest itself as a person while a "smoke trail" still exists nearby.
- The statue could have been some sort of plaster over a frame rather than solid all the way through. I didn't get a good look at the debris to be sure, but that's a possibility.
- I wondered about Isabella and the smoke monster sound as well. Since he's smoke, maybe part of him can manifest itself as a person while a "smoke trail" still exists nearby.
maybe he was hallucinating about Isabella appearing to him. Or maybe it was a ploy, a convoluted one, by MiB, to get Richard to help him out. And if you remember the smoke did appear to "scan" him when the smoke slaughtered the crew men. He then later comes back as Isabella to set up the more or less "long con," which is why he was truthful about being the smoke, and then after that later comes back for the 3rd time, maybe 4th time if he was also the black boar too, but i doubt it, but yeah comes back to give him water and set him free. So as far as the cross goes, did Richard drop the necklace at the doctor's house in the Canary Islands?
Yes he did, he dropped it and never picked it back up.
^ Interesting. I assumed that he had it with him on the ship and dropped it there.
Jacob should be very much aware of Richard. He's probably the one who summoned them to the island, and I doubt he did it so that they could all just be killed. At least one of them had to be tested, but I wonder why it was Richard and not anyone else. What makes Richard different?
Another question: How is it that Jacob offered Dogen a deal to bring his son back to life, but couldn't do the same for Isabella?
You see this is a problem that I have with a lot of the discussion about this show. I don't mean to pick on you or start a fight, but you're making an assumption here based on no evidence whatsoever. It's like a debate I'm having in another thread. People are making these assertions about answers we've gotten when in fact we haven't.
We don't know exactly what Jacob's powers are and what limits (if any) there are to them. It hasn't been revealed. We can make some guesses but I don't think we've seen enough to know if he could or couldn't control the trajectory of a ship. We just don't know.
That's a very good question. When she died, I thought that's what they were setting up but then they went a different direction.
I understand your line of reasoning, but it's very clear in the episode Jacob does not know who he is. One of the first things Jacob asks Richard after roughing him up is "who are you, did you come from the ship". So, clearly, the canon is that Jacob does not know who Richard is prior to having met him.
You're right, it's just my opinion, but isn't the alternative kind of absurd? If Jacob were guiding it's exact trajectory what would he use, a remote control? Would be somehow possess the ship mentally? I don't see how that would work.
Maybe Richard was right in some capacity, Jacob and MiB are lying manipulators. Simple as that. Jacob's job is to keep MiB from escaping and will do and/or say whatever it takes to get the job done, while MiB wants to get off the island and will also do and/or say whatever it takes to get off the island.
Okay, I'm sure there is more going on. We have people who can appear both on and off the island who also look to be independent of the smoke monster unless he's got some sort of split personality disorder.
I find it very strange then that he was so intimately familiar with those who crashed on the plane as well as hundreds of others whose names were written on the wall/wheel. Why would he want to know so much about them, but know very little about the Black Rock? Him not even knowing Richard might almost imply that he never brought them there to begin with, which is kinda hard to believe.
A random memory just came to me. When NotLocke first encountered Richard this season, he said something to the effect "Nice to see you out of those chains Richard." But clearly last night the MIB knew Richard had been released from the chains, he was talking to Richard AFTER Richard's encounter with Jacob which was long after Richard was released from his chains.
Continutity screw up by the writers or something else?
Continutity screw up by the writers or something else?
Locke was just letting Richard know that he was Smokey by saying the same line he said to him in the past.
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