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Lost 6x09: "Ab Aeterno"
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I swear, some people have to have things spelled out directly and literally for them, they can't figure things out themselves.
Like Jacob said (paraphrasing): What fun would it be for him to do it for you?
Like the Spanish priest said to Richard: To have grace, you must go through the penance.
I imagine that we will never have a direct answer as to what Jacob and MIB are i.e. superhuman/alien/gods and I think that's absolutely the right move.
Excellent.
A few points I'm confused about now-
If nobody was left alive on the island except MIB and Jacob when Richard arrived, then when did the whole "leader" structure emerge? For that matter, if Richard is Jacob's go-between, what purpose do leaders like Ben serve at all?
We see Jacob living at the statue in 1867. Was the cabin ever Jacob's? I guess maybe that was his meeting place for the leaders or what have you but it's not really spelled out at this point. Or perhaps the cabin is just one of those things that isn't going to be explained.
Still it doesn't make a lot of A-B-C sense and for two seasons there it was like "omg cabin".
Anyway, excellent. PS- Temis totally called the island as a jail theory.
A few points I'm confused about now-
If nobody was left alive on the island except MIB and Jacob when Richard arrived, then when did the whole "leader" structure emerge? For that matter, if Richard is Jacob's go-between, what purpose do leaders like Ben serve at all?
We see Jacob living at the statue in 1867. Was the cabin ever Jacob's? I guess maybe that was his meeting place for the leaders or what have you but it's not really spelled out at this point. Or perhaps the cabin is just one of those things that isn't going to be explained.
Still it doesn't make a lot of A-B-C sense and for two seasons there it was like "omg cabin".Anyway, excellent. PS- Temis totally called the island as a jail theory.
There was PLENTY revealed in this episode too. I'm not sure how anyone can complain about not getting "answers" with a straight face.Maybe those people would be happier with a show like Law & Order or CSI in which every single question is neatly wrapped up at the end of every episode, but I'd rather have a fantastic story with most of the key questions being answered by the time this is all over.
Not sure the CSI style would work for Lost.
JACK: "I found a fingerprint in the lighthouse and ran it through the History of Mankind Database and came up empty."
BEN: "If I can extract DNA from that fingerprint, we can clone it and grow it into a full adult so we can find out what he or she knows about the numbers."
MONTAGE
Oh right. I'd forgotten that!
I think then Dharma made a 'deal' with MiB and Jacob to use the island as their hippie community and experiments. Jacob would like them there to observe the human conditon, and MiB would want them there to manipulate to leave. But Jacob must have told them how to contain MiB (Thus the soundwave "fence" and the cabin w/ ash.)
So the "help me" that Locke heard was MiB. "Christian" was MiB, and manipulating Claire.
So the "help me" that Locke heard was MiB. "Christian" was MiB, and manipulating Claire.
Great episode! Great acting by Nestor too. I wonder if we will ever get MiB's name though
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I thought that was cool. The Black Rock had to get to the middle of the island somehow, and I can't believe I've never considered that it smashed through the statue, destroying it before tonight.
Not necessarily. It could well be that the Black Rock was still at see, but within visual range from the island before the storm hit. Still, I see what you're saying.
- The island was in the Atlantic Ocean in the 19th century. Yes, the island moves!
My thoughts precisely.
I read a theory recently that suggested the electromagnetic properties of the island reacted with the metals on the Black Rock and literally hoisted it out of the sea once it got close enough and pulled it ashore, through the jungle, much like the reaction we saw during the end of "The Incident, Part 2"
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Minor answers? WTF. I just don't get some people.
Richard, this enigma for two and a half years, is finally explained in detail.
Ilana is here to protect the candidates.
JACOB FLAT OUT REVEALED WHY HE BRINGS PEOPLE TO THE ISLAND
Richard, this enigma for two and a half years, is finally explained in detail.
Ilana is here to protect the candidates.
JACOB FLAT OUT REVEALED WHY HE BRINGS PEOPLE TO THE ISLAND
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Great great episode.
Just posted this in the running thread, but it felt like an emotionally epic story in just this one episode. They crammed a lot of emotion and plot resonance into the hour - extra minutes helped.
Very compelling hour. GREAT acting by Nestor, and also by the guys playing MiB and Jacob. I'd actually love to see what would happen if Smokey got off the island, maybe they can have a dream or hallucination or flash sideways or something. Would everyone become emotionless killers like Sayid?
Before the end of S3 one of my favorite potential paths of the show that I'd always dream about would be this big epic storyline where they take off on sea and spend like half a season getting back to the mainland of california or something, but arrive to find the world in apocalyptic ruin and that they were more or less the last survivors. It'd be ballsy but I'd love to see some variation of that.
Also, doesn't it seem like Hurley has to be the "winner" of the Jacob sweepstakes? I mean, he's the one who talks to and sees dead people including Jacob himself. He's the one who found the cabin and remember how shocked Ben and Locke were that Hurley could see it? He was on 'the list' back in S2-end and 3. He's the one who got "lucky" with Jacob's numbers. Hell even the big green CG bird cawing "Hurley" (which has been referenced recently by the writers - that happened twice btw, S1 finale and S2 finale).
He's also the most unambiguously "good" person out of all of them.
Just posted this in the running thread, but it felt like an emotionally epic story in just this one episode. They crammed a lot of emotion and plot resonance into the hour - extra minutes helped.
Very compelling hour. GREAT acting by Nestor, and also by the guys playing MiB and Jacob. I'd actually love to see what would happen if Smokey got off the island, maybe they can have a dream or hallucination or flash sideways or something. Would everyone become emotionless killers like Sayid?
Before the end of S3 one of my favorite potential paths of the show that I'd always dream about would be this big epic storyline where they take off on sea and spend like half a season getting back to the mainland of california or something, but arrive to find the world in apocalyptic ruin and that they were more or less the last survivors. It'd be ballsy but I'd love to see some variation of that.
Also, doesn't it seem like Hurley has to be the "winner" of the Jacob sweepstakes? I mean, he's the one who talks to and sees dead people including Jacob himself. He's the one who found the cabin and remember how shocked Ben and Locke were that Hurley could see it? He was on 'the list' back in S2-end and 3. He's the one who got "lucky" with Jacob's numbers. Hell even the big green CG bird cawing "Hurley" (which has been referenced recently by the writers - that happened twice btw, S1 finale and S2 finale).
He's also the most unambiguously "good" person out of all of them.
Ah, but is the Island itself the prison, or is it just the locked door? In the wine bottle analogy, Jacob says that the Island is the *cork*, not the bottle. Is it possible that MiB's prison (the "wine bottle") is the entire Earth, but he's just hanging out on the Island, because that's the only place from which he can hope to escape? I mean, we did see Christian (who we presume to be another incarnation of MiB) appear to Jack in the outside world, after he left the Island. So if MiB is confined to the Island only, that doesn't quite track.
Heck, maybe MiB is confined to "our reality", and the outside world he wants to get to is other timelines, like the flashsideways timeline? Maybe his "home" is the flashsideways timeline specifically, and that's why we've been seeing that timeline this season?
One other burning question from this episode: Jacob tells Richard in 1867 that everyone else who's come to the Island is dead. So does that mean that "the Others" don't exist yet at that time? Are the Others who we see in 1954 the original iteration of Others?
Richard is the only immortal so all the other Others live and die while Richard stays on. So they come to the Island, hang out a few decades, die, then the next batch comes in. So at that point in time the current batch were dead and the next group would be coming in soon I suppose. ... The one thing I think we're not going to get more answers on unfortunately is all the Dharma stuff since we spent a whole season with them and now we've moved on. Things like Horace's Cabin being used by "Jacob". The importance of Horace's wife in "Man Behind the Curtain" who never appeared again (maybe that role was replaced by 24's Michelle because of actress availability). How did Radzinsky end up alone in the Swan? Who exactly brought Kelvin to the Island? Who made the decision of the Purge? More details on Widmore's exile. The nature of the relationship between Widmore and Hawking. How exactly the Others co-opted the Dharma connections in the outside world. I always found Dharma to be the most fascinating aspect of the series but I guess we've moved onto the more metaphysical questions now.
Right, but based on the chronology we have, there was at least a continuous group of Others living on the Island from 1954 to the present day. Widmore and Hawking are part of the group in 1954, and they're still there in 1977, and overlap with other people who are among the Others into 2007. It's unclear how long before 1954 there had been a continuous group of Others on the Island. Maybe as far back as the late 1800s. But it does seem that there weren't any at the time of the Black Rock.
"God" needs a better employee screening process. His jailor allowed himself to be killed rather easily. Not a very bright thing to do if you are guarding the "devil." Jacob's going to have one nasty exit interview.
Hurley's purpose has always been to advise or be a sounding board. Especially to Jack. My guess is that function will continue a the end. Richard will get his reward - absolution and death, and Hurley will take his place.
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