You don't count Lawnmower Man as part of Team Ilana? He's in the opening credits now!
Apparently, everyone who gets hurt lives in a five mile radius from Jack's hospital.
He learned it from the other Jack on TV.
Lost 6x06: "Sundown"
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You don't count Lawnmower Man as part of Team Ilana? He's in the opening credits now!
He learned it from the other Jack on TV.
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So uh who were all those other people with FLocke at the very end?? they didn't look like The Temple Others who left... they seemed perfectly cool with the slaughter.
No, I think they were the Temple Others. I just don't think they were terribly surprised by the slaughter.
I gave this an excellent! The Smokey wipeout was both scary and cool as hell. Sayid finally going to the dark side (noooooooooo), another confrontation with Keamy (yay!), and the look that FLocke gave Kate, as if he was sizing her up for the slaughter (ohplease, ohplease, ohplease!).... I just loved it all.
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I noticed that Smokey didn't talk to Kate. Does that mean she still has the potential to kill him, assuming Dogen wasn't full of shit? I guess there's no way to tell right now since Sayid let Smokey talk to him before he went for the stabbity-stab. But they certainly made a big deal out of him not speaking to Kate.
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I'm pretty sure we haven't seen Jacob go on an insane killing spree, or had anyone other than Smokey trembling in fear of him. But yeah, I can see how you might see them as being about the same. 
They seem to be playing Smokey as a Lucifer figure. The seductive devil who uses half-truths and feigned sincerity to destroy and ruin others. Oddly enough, Supernatural is using the same style of Lucifer, only with Lucifer being played by the guy playing Jacob. How weird is that?
They seem to be playing Smokey as a Lucifer figure. The seductive devil who uses half-truths and feigned sincerity to destroy and ruin others. Oddly enough, Supernatural is using the same style of Lucifer, only with Lucifer being played by the guy playing Jacob. How weird is that?
Dogen never intended for Sayid to kill Smokey. He was planning for it to happen the other way around.
I don't think they made a big deal about Locke not speaking to Kate. It was more a moment of surprise and intrigue for both of them. Locke was intrigued that Kate was one of the survivors of the Temple, and Kate was shocked to see Locke standing there alive and well.
I don't think they made a big deal about Locke not speaking to Kate. It was more a moment of surprise and intrigue for both of them. Locke was intrigued that Kate was one of the survivors of the Temple, and Kate was shocked to see Locke standing there alive and well.
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The only people who said that are Smokey and, parroting Smoky, Sayid. Dogen never denied or acknowledged that it was accurate, which is par of the course for Lost. Honestly, if Dogen wanted Sayid dead, he wouldn't have to go through such ceremony. Especially considering his last attempt to do so. Or what, you think his plan basically amounted to "Oh hey, Sayid, s'up. I know I banished you and shit after a moment of introspection earlier, but uh, here, take this knife and go stab Smokey for me. It'll totally work, dude, and in no way is he just gonna kill you for trying. I mean, it's not like I couldn't just say a word and the twenty Others nearby would shoot you dead on the spot. No way! So, uh, yeah, go do that for me, would ya? kthxbai. Oh, wait, here. Take this dagger. But wait, see, it's in a magic box hidden in the soil deep in my secret underground lair. That makes it magical (even though it's just an ordinary knife I buried for just such an occasion), so this'll totally work, dude."
Furthermore, there has to be a reason that dagger was special. Dogen had it protected in a special, engraved box and carefully hidden deep inside the temple (in his personal abode) and out of Smokey's reach. Considering also that Dogen was the sole defense against Smokey at the temple, I think that says a lot more than a few words by a master liar and manipulator, aka Smokey. Doubly so since Dogen had no reason at that point to try and kill Sayid in such an obtuse and absurd manner that even a Bond villain would roll their eyes at.
They most certainly did make a big deal out of it. It occurred in the same episode, and not long after, Dogen told Sayid how to kill Smokey. With that attack failing miserably, presumably because Smokey did talk to Sayid before he did it.
That was the circumstance of why he didn't speak to her, but the emphasis of the scene was that he didn't speak to her.
I guess I just interpreted the talking thing as meaning, "If you let Smokey talk to you, he's going to turn you over to his side, so it's best to just kill him before he gets that chance." Do you really think Kate ISN'T going to talk to him the next time we see them?
Honestly, though, Dogen was a poorly-conceived character, and I hope he's dead for good. His intentions and motivations are foggy at best.
Honestly, though, Dogen was a poorly-conceived character, and I hope he's dead for good. His intentions and motivations are foggy at best.
Not anymore poorly conceived than Paulo and Nikki, his story served a purpose. His role was keeper of the Temple, which was a safe haven from unLocke Although I agree, he could have been flushed out a bit more.
Sayid and Claire is almost like unLocke's Harbringer of death
Sayid and Claire is almost like unLocke's Harbringer of death
Good episode. Nice to see that Sayid kicks ass no matter what alternate reality you put him in.
Also nice to see the different sides forming. I really hope Frank gets to do a bit more this season then just hang around and lift stuff. He's a great character, he should be the one who replaces Jacob if Jack doesn't take the job.
Also nice to see the different sides forming. I really hope Frank gets to do a bit more this season then just hang around and lift stuff. He's a great character, he should be the one who replaces Jacob if Jack doesn't take the job.
I'd say above average this time. It went up a gear from last week. Well, at the end at least.
Seeing Sayid back to his normal self was a pleasure to see, but he's moved over to Locke's side now, even if we're still not sure what happened to him. It's a shame, yet awesome at the same time. Sayid's sideflash was reasonable, though the most surprising bit was that Nadia was in his life, but not with him. His confession that he doesn't deserve her was sad; the rest of his story I could leave. Nice to see Jack at the hospital, continuing the theme of everyone still being in each other's lives.
The temple story was much more interesting. Kate and Claire were finally reunited, but Claire's look of horror when Kate said she'd raised Aaron was scary. I'm hoping the writers don't completely send Claire over to Locke's side. I'm worried she will have to be taken care of, which would leave Kate to raise Aaron - yuck! Perhaps she will kill Kate - wishful thinking!
Smokey making it into the temple after Dogen bit the dust was damn freaky, and the pace picked up considerably. It was very tense, and I l really loved the ride. Illana, Sun, Ben and Frank appearing to save the day was a very well timed appearance that I really enjoyed.
The end was very creepy - the Others, Sayid, Claire and then Kate joining up with Locke, back at the head of the field. Claire's nursery rhyme playing over the images was the icing on the cake, and I eagerly await next week.
Seeing Sayid back to his normal self was a pleasure to see, but he's moved over to Locke's side now, even if we're still not sure what happened to him. It's a shame, yet awesome at the same time. Sayid's sideflash was reasonable, though the most surprising bit was that Nadia was in his life, but not with him. His confession that he doesn't deserve her was sad; the rest of his story I could leave. Nice to see Jack at the hospital, continuing the theme of everyone still being in each other's lives.
The temple story was much more interesting. Kate and Claire were finally reunited, but Claire's look of horror when Kate said she'd raised Aaron was scary. I'm hoping the writers don't completely send Claire over to Locke's side. I'm worried she will have to be taken care of, which would leave Kate to raise Aaron - yuck! Perhaps she will kill Kate - wishful thinking!
Smokey making it into the temple after Dogen bit the dust was damn freaky, and the pace picked up considerably. It was very tense, and I l really loved the ride. Illana, Sun, Ben and Frank appearing to save the day was a very well timed appearance that I really enjoyed.
The end was very creepy - the Others, Sayid, Claire and then Kate joining up with Locke, back at the head of the field. Claire's nursery rhyme playing over the images was the icing on the cake, and I eagerly await next week.
Everyone's saying that UnLocke spoke to Sayid before Sayid could stab him. If you watch it again, all UnLocke says is "Hello, Sayid." Then Sayid stabs him. But it doesn't work.
Discuss.
Discuss.
Well Dogan did tell Sayid that if he (unlocke) spoke it would be too late to kill him and apparently it was. I don't know why. Maybe it is some sort of mystical thing? Maybe Unlocke doesn't have his power over someone until he make a vocal connection to them? Maybe UnLocke is like Satan and can only influence people with his words, not his actions. Maybe Sayid could have killed him then and there and saved the island if he had reacted quickly enough? Maybe a deaf person could defeat him/beat him?
I swear, I must be making some sort of subconscious effort to always pick out the one character everyone else seems to hate as the one I find the most intriguing. Happened with Lana Lang on Smallville and, ever since I got into Lost two years ago, the same can be said of Kate. It isn't just that these women are attractive (although it certainly helps). It also has to do with their backstories. Either I find theirs the most sympathetic, or simply the most engaging.
I may never understand the hate for Kate. I like the idea that she still has the power to kill the MIB, but the fact that her number (51) isn't one of the six magic numbers does make me concerned for her odds of survival.
I fell asleep and missed this episode when it aired last night. Thank goodness for Hulu, or else I wouldn't have had the opportunity to catch it this morning. I gave this one an "above average" rating. It certainly raised a lot of intrigue, but is still just one piece of a greater whole. Next Tuesday night just can't come around quickly enough!
I may never understand the hate for Kate. I like the idea that she still has the power to kill the MIB, but the fact that her number (51) isn't one of the six magic numbers does make me concerned for her odds of survival.
I fell asleep and missed this episode when it aired last night. Thank goodness for Hulu, or else I wouldn't have had the opportunity to catch it this morning. I gave this one an "above average" rating. It certainly raised a lot of intrigue, but is still just one piece of a greater whole. Next Tuesday night just can't come around quickly enough!
I think only a "good" person can kill Cerebus with the mystical knife. Sayid was corrupted with the dark sickness when he was resurrected so he couldn't do it. But why would Dogen give away his magic knife needed to kill Cerebus if he knew it would fail? If his hope was that Cerebus would get mad and kill him, what's gonna happen with the knife then? ... I think I figured out the *real* reason for the side-stories. Half the characters are being corrupted and bastardized into evil (Locke, Claire, Sayid) and the viewers will get pissed at seeing their favorites twisted into something else, so they do this to show them being themselves as well to placate the viewership.
Honestly, they keep trying to hint at possibly Jacob being the bad guy and things like this try to suggest it's true. But Jacob doesn't kill anywhere anywhere near as many people as Locke does, which makes it hard to fully believe. Then again, this argument about the good guy has gone back to the break between the second and third seasons. In the third season, I waffled back and forth about Ben being a good guy for so long. Jacob seems to do more good than the smoke monster does and that's hard to get around.
The episode gets an above average. It's close to excellent (and was really kickass), but I feel episodes need more of a push these days. Back when Keemy killed Alex, having the smoke monster appear was completely awesome. Now we've seen similar acts of wanton destruction. The episode gets massive points for the creepiness of Sayid doing the killing and with Cindy and everyone else readily changing sides afterwards. In some ways, this is the point of near defeat for the good guys (assuming Jacob is one of the good guys). I can't see it getting much worse than this.
Somehow I think Kate will be instrumental in bringing down Flocke. He saw her there but I got the impression he dismissed her as unimportant with an "I'll dispatch her later" look. No sense in ruining his good mood and all.
But there may be something said about the not speaking thing being helpful here as I thought Sayid blew it when Flocke said hello to him.
But there may be something said about the not speaking thing being helpful here as I thought Sayid blew it when Flocke said hello to him.
Above average. Almost an excellent. The Lost people know how to crank out these amazing episodes! I think I'm finally starting to see the big message. Of course, I may revise that next week! In a nutshell, with the battle lines forming, it seems like the pawns will band together against the 2 pulling strings. Neither Jacob or unLocke are good/bad, they're just controlling pawns for their own ends. It's in the pawns interests to band together and not be manipulated.
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