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Lost 4x04: "Eggtown"

Temis the Vorta said:
Anyone watch Big Love and recognize Kate's lawyer as Joey Henrickson? No? Okay forget I said anything. :D
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Kate's lawyer was on 24 in the Jack Bauer lead agent role, which of course meant he had to die so Jack Bauer could take the Jack Bauer role. :)

He was also the bad guy in Frequency. And his character's name was Jack Shepard.
 
Agent Richard07 said:
Temis the Vorta said:
If time were moving slower on the Island to as much of a degree as indicated by the test, then Aaron should be older. (And rain should fall and waves crash noticeably slower, which we've seen they don't.) But if the offset is permanently 31 minutes, then he's 31 minutes younger than he should be, no big deal.
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Even if time were moving slower, the rain falling and waves crashing would appear normal because they would have adjusted to the same rate as everything else on or near the island.
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Then why wouldn't the timer in Danny's gadget also adjust and show time flowing normally? Rain, surf, gadget, they're all just objects in the environment. Why don't they all behave the same?
 
Agent Richard07 said:
Another thing... I'm surprised that so many of you figured out that Aaron was her "son" before it was revealed. What tipped you off?
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Well, when she first said she had a son, there were two possibilities that went through my mind. Okay three, but the third one didn't make any sense. Either she had gotten pregnant by Sawyer and had his baby, or she had taken Claire's baby (either because Claire was dead or Claire couldn't leave the island for some reason so gave him to Kate to be raised in the real world).

The third one was that Kate had had a child from before ever coming on the island, but it was just way too implausible that he never would have been mentioned by anyone in her flashbacks or on the island, not even slightly hinted at. This was confirmed when Kate was with Claire and said she wasn't good with babies.

This also seemed like foreshadowing that either Kate was pregnant and would have to deal with motherhood herself soon, or that this new friendship between Claire and Kate would lead to Claire giving her baby to Kate somewhere down the road.

Then there was the scene with Sawyer where she said she wasn't pregnant and Sawyer mentioned they had not had sex the night before. It sounded to me like Kate truly knew she wasn't pregnant.

This all tied in with the fact that she didn't want the son at the trial (she obviously isn't comfortable with the whole lying about the plane crash thing).

There was also the scene when Kate was with her mother and her mom wanted to see the grandson. The way Kate responded gave me a clue. We know she dislikes her mother quite a bit for what she's done, but ultimately I don't think Kate is that uncaring that she would forbid her mom from ever seeing her grandson, especially when she was dying of cancer. After all, Kate KILLED someone for her mom, so her love for her mom must run pretty damn deep. So, it seemed logical to me that Kate was okay denying her mom because she knew that the kid wasn't really her grandson. Also, that's a good reason that Kate would actively not want to have the kid see her mom - because like I said earlier, the whole lying about the crash thing makes Kate feel very uncomfortable, and I don't think she could handle seeing her mom with Aaron, thinking that they are truly related, when she knows they are not.

Of course not all of these details ran through my head as I was watching the show! It was more sort of an instinct or gut feeling about it, and afterwards, going back over the details, it seems more clear why I felt that way.
 
Temis the Vorta said:
If time were moving slower on the Island to as much of a degree as indicated by the test, then Aaron should be older. (And rain should fall and waves crash noticeably slower, which we've seen they don't.) But if the offset is permanently 31 minutes, then he's 31 minutes younger than he should be, no big deal.
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I'm not sure "spooky" or even "interesting" are words I would use to describe this proposed phenomena :p And if it's a time offset, it should take 30 minutes each way for a radio transmission to go making realtime communication with the boat impossible. It clearly is possible, so...
 
To Spots Meow... That's quite an analysis. I like what you said at the end though. I did think that intuition or gut instinct played a part in people knowing it was Aaron. As for Kate having a kid before the crash being implausible... We haven't seen every detail of her life and I figured that she was simply keeping it a secret.
Temis the Vorta said:
Agent Richard07 said:
Temis the Vorta said:
If time were moving slower on the Island to as much of a degree as indicated by the test, then Aaron should be older. (And rain should fall and waves crash noticeably slower, which we've seen they don't.) But if the offset is permanently 31 minutes, then he's 31 minutes younger than he should be, no big deal.
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Even if time were moving slower, the rain falling and waves crashing would appear normal because they would have adjusted to the same rate as everything else on or near the island.
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Then why wouldn't the timer in Danny's gadget also adjust and show time flowing normally?
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You could say that the timer did adjust to "island time", but it shows a different time lapse because it started running before it travelled through the time distortion. I don't see why anything like rain or waves would continue to move at an "outside world" rate even after reaching the island.
 
What were Dan and Charlotte doing with the cards and why was Dan trying to recall them?
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I figured it was a memory test, Charlotte had shown Daniel the cards, then turned them over and Daniel tried to remember them. That would seem to mesh with his being slightly off.

Above average. I didn't see the Aaron thing coming at all so my jaw pretty much hit the floor when Kate said his name at the end. In hindsight, it's pretty obvious though.

And yeah, the Flash-Forwards were mostly much better than Island time (the big exception being Miles' breakfast :lol:). The only big things that happened outside the flash-forwards were Miles wanting to make a deal with Ben to the sum of £3.2m and Desmond, Sayid and Frank not making it to the Freighter (apparently).
 
Temis the Vorta said:
If time were moving slower on the Island to as much of a degree as indicated by the test, then Aaron should be older.
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Wouldn't it be just the opposite? Assuming time is slower on the island than the rest of the world, and it's 2004 on the island, but 2007 in the real world, and Aaron was rescued some time prior to the scene with Kate, then he should be younger relatively speaking.

I don't mean younger than he is now, just younger than what a baby born in 2004 in the real world would be.
 
Re: Lost 4x04: "Eggtown"

My first average of the season. Interesting, but kind of boring and predictable. Didn't really like any of Kate's stuff on or off the island. I liked that they dealt with her past murder charge, it just wasn't done in an interesting way for me.

Kate going through all that trouble just to find out what miles knew didn't make much sense to me. I understand that she's concerned about what's going to happen to her once she gets off the island, since it seems like that possibility is now in reach. But to go through her crazy plan didn't seem to make sense.

Part of my problem with the episode was predictability. I already guessed that the "him" was Aaron, to the big reveal and everything leading up to it was kind of lame. Just like Kate's fake double cross to get miles.

Miles' confrontation with Ben was the most interesting part for me. I had no idea where he was going with that, and the result ended up being kind of funny, and interesting at the same time.
 
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I figure some kind of deal is in place for the Oceanic 6 not to reveal the existence of the island or the other survivors on it. That's why Jack said there were only 8 survivors, That's why Kate can get away with passing Aaron as her son, Clare is still on the island.
 
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Vic Sixx said:
I figure some kind of deal is in place for the Oceanic 6 not to reveal the existence of the island or the other survivors on it. That's why Jack said there were only 8 survivors, That's why Kate can get away with passing Aaron as her son, Clare is still on the island.
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I keep wondering what exactly the story there is. Does everyone else think Aaron's Kate's biological son or was Claire one of the two survivors that survived the crash but died later according to the cover story?
 
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Another thought I had after watching this episode. Does the pyschic's warning that Claire and Claire alone should raise Aaron become null and void once a certain point is passed? I mean, they spent a fair amount of effort to make the point that Aaron was somehow special (whether in a good or bad way) and must be raised be Claire. Obviously those who are spoiler-free past 4x04 can't really answer that but it's something I've been thinking about and hoping the writers don't just drop.
 
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Rat Boy said:
I keep wondering what exactly the story there is. Does everyone else think Aaron's Kate's biological son or was Claire one of the two survivors that survived the crash but died later according to the cover story?
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They must think Aaron is Kate's biological child. I don't see social services leaving a child with a woman who is going to be on trial for multiple crimes with a child she isn't the biological mother of. The kid would be put in the system in foster care somewhere.
 
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Maybe when Kate and the other Oceanic six survivors get off the island, the time differential between the island and the rest of the world is so great enough time has passed for it to be plausable Kate could have got pregnent and delivered on the island.

In my mind the time differential isnt 31 minutes its 31 times.

A lot of us have been thinking they got rescued in 2004/5 and lived back home for another two years till the flashforwards, but what if its already 2007 outside the island, and when they are rescued, they arent home very long at all?

Long enough to grow a beard, thats only a month or so.

Syeid didnt recognise the phone, because its years in advance of models he knows.

And didnt the redsox win the world series again last year?
 
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Not sure why but I can't seem to type in quoted posts?

Anyways, wanted to respond to several comments about why Jack doesn't want to see the baby. I figure it's because he thinks it's Sawyers. Kate, in typical Lost fasion, doesn't communicate that it isn't Sawyers. Probably wants Jack to have to accept her regardless of whose baby it is rather than making it easy for him by saying it's Aaron. Women!

Mr Awe
 
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Emh said:
Yes, but that hadn't happened yet when they wrote the episode in question (see the Interview thread).
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But if it had happened when they filmed it, it would have been easy enough to just let the actors adlib the lines.
 
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The credits list actor William Blanchette playing a "2 year old boy". That would indicate that Aaron is 2 years old, and the flash forward takes place 1 year and 9 months in the future from the island scenes (unless some kind of time effect has taken place).
 
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Well you call a boy 2 until the day he is 3, so there is a little more flexability with that time frame
 
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Spoilers for episode 4x12 below...




Well, Kate did fake a pregnancy and the world thinks Aaron is hers afterall.
 
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