Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series

[kirk55555]

Perhaps season two will turn things around by Celeborn waking from a really disturbing fever dream about what his wife has been up to while he's been inexplicably missing for centuries.

I mean, while not for the same reasons as the show Celeborn canonically was apart from his wife and daughter for a long time in the Second Age even in the Tolkien timeline. After Galadriel and their daughter went through Khaza-dum to live with Wood Elves (around 1350-1400 SA) he stayed in Eregion (he hated Dwarves and wasn't going to go through their kingdom), and almost 300 years after they left he was still there, he'd fight in the Sack of Eregion (1697 SA) and would eventually follow Elrond to the place where Elrond would found Riverdell. Galadriel and their daughter, not knowing what happened to Celeborn because of all the fighting, go searching for him and would eventually meet up with Celeborn in Rivendell sometime after 1701 SA.

Even assuming his Wife/daughter would occasionally visit when during the time they lived a part, they were still living separately for centuries. Then, when Galadriel leaves Middle Earth at the end of the Third Age, Celeborn stays for at least 120 years into the Fourth Age before leaving Middle Earth to finally join his wife and Daughter over the sea by taking the last ship leaving middle Earth.

I know a lot of that either doesn't fit or is irrelevant to RoP, but I'm just saying that Celeborn and Galadriel being apart, sometimes for centuries (and even Galadriel not knowing where he is during that time) fits their characters stories.

 

[FreezeC77]

Celeborn to Celebrian: "Just going out to buy some pipeweed, be back soon."

Couple centuries later...

Hope Galadriel gets those child support backpayments.

 

[kirk55555]

Celeborn to Celebrian: "Just going out to buy some pipeweed, be back soon."

Couple centuries later...

Hope Galadriel gets those child support backpayments.

To be fair, their daughter would have been around 1000 years old at that point (she was probably born around 300 SA), and they're the ones that moved away from him. Although its not like Khazad-dum was the only way to get to the wood elves realm, he could have crossed over the mountains or gone the long way round, so presumably he just preferred to stay in Eregion.

 

[Drunk Superman]

Perhaps season two will turn things around by Celeborn waking from a really disturbing fever dream about what his wife has been up to while he's been inexplicably missing for centuries.

Do they have showers in Middle-Earth?

 

[137th Gebirg]

If anyone has it, it's the elves. MAGIC!!

 

[FreezeC77]

Do they have showers in Middle-Earth?

They got oliphaunts and mumakils

Spoiler

 

[Set Harth]

 

[Turtletrekker]

Harper Collins will be publishing a revised and expanded edition of The Letters of JRR Tolkien, reinstating 150 letters that were excised from the original edition for length at the request of the publisher.

https://gizmodo.com/letters-of-jrr-tolkien-lord-of-the-rings-hobbit-updated-1850514583

 

[The Nightmare Doctor]

I saw that earlier. I'm very curious to read those...and I've only read a small portion of the already published letters.

Also, The Rings of Power has reportedly finished filming its second season.

 

[fireproof78]

Harper Collins will be publishing a revised and expanded edition of the letters of JRR Tolkien, reinstating 150 letters that were excised from the original edition for length at the request of the publisher.

https://gizmodo.com/letters-of-jrr-tolkien-lord-of-the-rings-hobbit-updated-1850514583

Sweet! The first edition was so enjoyable.

Celeborn to Celebrian: "Just going out to buy some pipeweed, be back soon."

Couple centuries later...

It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.

 

[JD]

Celeborn to Celebrian: "Just going out to buy some pipeweed, be back soon."

Couple centuries later...

Hope Galadriel gets those child support backpayments.

To be fair we are talking about immortal elves here, so a couple centuries would feel like the blink of an eye to them.

 

[The Nightmare Doctor]

Since I posted news about the production in this thread before, TheOneRing.net reports that the first reactions to some early footage of the anime film The War of the Rohirrim are pretty positive.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Since I posted news about the production in this thread before, TheOneRing.net reports that the first reactions to some early footage of the anime film The War of the Rohirrim are pretty positive.

That's great, although I I would have much rather they adapted story of the founding of Rohan, but as that story is told in Unfinished Tales, the rights probably aren't available.

Honestly, perhaps this thread should be renamed into some sort of all purpose Tolkien discussion thread.

 

[The Nightmare Doctor]

That's great, although I I would have much rather they adapted story of the founding of Rohan, but as that story is told in Unfinished Tales, the rights probably aren't available.

Yeah, I would've preferred that, too, but I'm curious to see what we get.

Besides, we get more of Miranda Ottto's Eowyn so I call that a win!

Honestly, perhaps this thread should be renamed into some sort of all purpose Tolkien discussion thread.

I'll probably start a separate thread for this film once we start getting imagery (aside from just one so far) and trailers.

 

[fireproof78]

To be fair we are talking about immortal elves here, so a couple centuries would feel like the blink of an eye to them.

 

[Ragitsu]

-- Elrond says that, save for Elves, members of each race (including animals) fought on both sides of the War of the Last Alliance. That implies the existence of Orcs among the Free People.

-- In The Two Towers, the Mountain Orcs accuse the Isengardians of eating not Man-Flesh but Orc-Flesh which causes a violent uproar, showing that Orc culture does have taboos and morals they will not cross (the movies changed that, obviously).

-- In the same vein, the discussion between the two Orcs (Shagrat and Gorbag) that plan to go their own way without big bosses is full of little details about Orcs : they debate about which of their respective workplaces is the worst just like normal people and Shagrat also comments when deducing that Frodo has been abandoned by his comrade the great elvish warrior (Sam) that it is a "regular Elvish trick" meaning that Orcs have a concept of honor (of course, he then tells the tale of how he did exactly that to one of his underlings, meaning they don't really follow the concept). Also, the fact that these two have a friendship, but are willing to murder each other over loot shows how truly warped their culture is. They also mention that their leaders use propaganda ("They would say that we are winning even if every battle were lost").

-- In the Silmarillion, it is said that the Orcs are fed lies about the Free People, namely that they eat slain Orcs (a lie which is repeated by Ugluk in The Two Towers). -- In Return of the King, both an Orc (either Shagrat or Gorbag) and Frodo expresses the sentiment that whatever they feel about their allies they have to stand together because the victory of the other side would mean total annihilation for them. Indeed, while the Men under Sauron are always offered a chance to surrender by the heroes, that offer is never extended to Orcs.

-- In the Silmarillion, it is also said that, of all the creatures, the Orcs hate Morgoth the most because they hold him responsible of their woes. Could that mean that they understand how flawed they are?

-- Tolkien said he wanted Frodo and Sam to meet a tribe of good Orcs, but could never find a way to do it without breaking the flow of the story.

-- We also only ever see Orcs in situations of warfare (in enemy territory, trying to find a spy, in battle, etc)...situations where our own species does not fare much better.

Finally, when talking about World War One, Tolkien wrote "we were all Orcs then."

Food for thought.

 

[Set Harth]

Besides, we get more of Miranda Ottto's Eowyn so I call that a win!

Wouldn't this be before her time?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Wouldn't this be before her time?

She serves as the story's narrator.

 

[Ragitsu]

This franchise is so lucrative that - eventually - another passionate director is going to try their hand at creating more The Lord of the Rings films. Correct?

 

[137th Gebirg]

I dunno about that - Jackson's adaptations of LOTR and The Hobbit seemed pretty definitive to me. But then again, odder things have happened, so who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯