Lorca is a coward and murderer, how come he's a Starfleet Captain still??

[Nerys Myk]

I don't know, but regarding Kor: Did he eat his enemies heart? Maybe, but no one believes him.

"The blood was to the horse's bridle"

They prefer not to believe him.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I don't know, but regarding Kor: Did he eat his enemies heart? Maybe, but no one believes him.

"The blood was to the horse's bridle"

I do. I believe him.

*looks wistfully off into the distance, a single tear rolling down cheek*

 

[Refuge]

I wonder if the Klingons killed Lorca if they could actually find a heart to eat?

 

[Refuge]

Okay, I've got to stop you guys. Did Kor eat his enemies heart? Maybe. Probably not. You're taking the scene out of context. Kor tells tall tales. As he tells his story, everyone is captivated, and the ds9ers are scoffing. Quark, Odo, Bashir, etc, don't understand this type of history/myth/legend/storytelling, and view it through a literalists lens. Worf gives us some dialogue about Davy Crockett to convey the notion that "It does not matter whether it is factually true, just whether you believe it." or something to that effect. When Jadzia says "Big Heart" she is effectively rolling her eyes at his whole story. This is part of Kor's character. Here's the tale:

"Walls of fire on one side, rivers of lava on the other. We snaked our way through the hot, smoldering canyon, our skin so parched and blistered it was thick as armour. Kang and Koloth and I had set out with forty legions and now only we three remained to take on T'nag's army...

...Chanting a battle cry Koloth attacked their flank his eyes bulging with hate and revenge. It was a magnificent sight. A disruptor in one hand and his bat'leth in the other, I saw him kill two dozen men. I'll never forget...

...Kang took the high ground and, keeping the three suns to his back, he forced the enemy to fight him against the blinding light...

...Who gets the credit is of no import. What matters is this, in the end the mountainside was covered with dead so that not a square metre of ground could be seen. We found T'nag's body by the river, its waters red with blood. Which of us had slain him, no one could say for certain. So we cut out his heart and all three of us feasted on it together."

Here's another tall tale from Kor(from Once More Unto The Breach)
"Well, there's not much to tell really. The battle was over almost before the Federation knew it had begun. I commanded the first division from the Klothos, one of the old D Five cruisers. Kang commanded the second division. Now, you must remember that in those days, the cloaking device was a new piece of technology. There were only a handful of engineers in the Imperial Fleet who knew how to operate them. Before we left Chronos, I spent three days in the engine room taking the device apart with my bare hands and then putting it back together again. Now this would come in handy later in the battle, as you'll see..."

Prax that was interesting.

I can't help but think these Klingons, the Discovery ones, are as one note as Lorca. They are presented as monsters - that's it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wonder if the Klingons killed Lorca if they could actually find a heart to eat?

That's pretty good.

 

[cooleddie74]

He doesn't give speeches about gazelles either. #notmycaptain

You just need to have more faith. Faith.

Faith of the heart.

 

[Gonzo]

You just need to have more faith. Faith.

Faith of the heart.

Oh how I despised that tune.

Its pure snowflakery from start to finish.

 

[cultcross]

Picard is also responsible for the deaths of thousands of Federation citizens during the Borg attack of 2373 by not using hugh to introduce the virus that could have wiped out the collective. It also allowed the Borg to continue assimilating countless cultures across the galaxy. Apparently his morals were worth more than other people's lives. Admiral Nechayev was right to discipline him for his decision.

Genocide is rarely the correct choice. I'd go so far as to say it never is. If the Federation's principles are important enough to let whole civilisations die because they 'naturally should', which it seems bizarrely is the case, then they are important enough that the option presented in I, Borg should never be taken by a Starfleet captain. In this scenario, it could be argued that the civilisation being threatened is our own - if we wimp out on our principles when they are applied to ourselves, then we don't hold them in the first place in any real sense.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Genocide is rarely the correct choice. I'd go so far as to say it never is. If the Federation's principles are important enough to let whole civilisations die because they 'naturally should', which it seems bizarrely is the case, then they are important enough that the option presented in I, Borg should never be taken by a Starfleet captain. In this scenario, it could be argued that the civilisation being threatened is our own - if we wimp out on our principles when they are applied to ourselves, then we don't hold them in the first place in any real sense.

I agree genocide should never be a choice, but the Borg aren't like any of the threats the Federation would normally contend with. The Klingons, Romulans, Dominion, can be reasoned with or beaten with military force if that is what it takes, but the Borg can't. They are a threat to the entire galaxy and I think due to the nature of that threat and in order to preserve life on a galactic scale federation principles need to be put aside.

 

[cooleddie74]

Oh how I despised that tune.

Its pure snowflakery from start to finish.

#FakeReviews

 

[ralfy]

Huh? That contained a list of subplots?

Yep. In fact, you only referred to one of them as not being such (which also isn't right).

 

[Locutus of Bored]

You just need to have more faith. Faith.

Faith of the heart.

Oh how I despised that tune.

Its pure snowflakery from start to finish.

Wait, the song where virtually every other line sounds like it was ripped from a Christian hymn is now snowflakery too? I guess we've reached peak meaninglessness of the word "snowflake" now and can retire it along with "Jump the Shark."

'Cause I've got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I've got faith to believe
I can do anything
I've got strength of the soul
And no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star
I've got faith
I've got faith, faith of the heart

 

[Tuskin38]

I wouldn't be surprised if Lorca lost his captaincy by the end of the season

Either discharged or promoted.

 

[Prax]

I guess we've reached peak meaninglessness of the word "snowflake" now and can retire it along with "Jump the Shark."

Ahem.

...It's "jump the tardishark."

 

[fireproof78]

Okay, I've got to stop you guys. Did Kor eat his enemies heart? Maybe. Probably not. You're taking the scene out of context. Kor tells tall tales. As he tells his story, everyone is captivated, and the ds9ers are scoffing. Quark, Odo, Bashir, etc, don't understand this type of history/myth/legend/storytelling, and view it through a literalists lens. Worf gives us some dialogue about Davy Crockett to convey the notion that "It does not matter whether it is factually true, just whether you believe it." or something to that effect. When Jadzia says "Big Heart" she is effectively rolling her eyes at his whole story. This is part of Kor's character. Here's the tale:

"Walls of fire on one side, rivers of lava on the other. We snaked our way through the hot, smoldering canyon, our skin so parched and blistered it was thick as armour. Kang and Koloth and I had set out with forty legions and now only we three remained to take on T'nag's army...

...Chanting a battle cry Koloth attacked their flank his eyes bulging with hate and revenge. It was a magnificent sight. A disruptor in one hand and his bat'leth in the other, I saw him kill two dozen men. I'll never forget...

...Kang took the high ground and, keeping the three suns to his back, he forced the enemy to fight him against the blinding light...

...Who gets the credit is of no import. What matters is this, in the end the mountainside was covered with dead so that not a square metre of ground could be seen. We found T'nag's body by the river, its waters red with blood. Which of us had slain him, no one could say for certain. So we cut out his heart and all three of us feasted on it together."

Here's another tall tale from Kor(from Once More Unto The Breach)
"Well, there's not much to tell really. The battle was over almost before the Federation knew it had begun. I commanded the first division from the Klothos, one of the old D Five cruisers. Kang commanded the second division. Now, you must remember that in those days, the cloaking device was a new piece of technology. There were only a handful of engineers in the Imperial Fleet who knew how to operate them. Before we left Chronos, I spent three days in the engine room taking the device apart with my bare hands and then putting it back together again. Now this would come in handy later in the battle, as you'll see..."

Even though Kang asks Jadzia if she will eat of the Albino's heart? Is he just indulging Kor?

 

[Gonzo]

Wait, the song where virtually every other line sounds like it was ripped from a Christian hymn is now snowflakery too? I guess we've reached peak meaninglessness of the word "snowflake" now and can retire it along with "Jump the Shark."

'Cause I've got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I've got faith to believe
I can do anything
I've got strength of the soul
And no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star
I've got faith
I've got faith, faith of the heart

Not the best choice of words but I never liked it at all.

Far too la de dah for me.

I do like the Discovery tune though, its subdued but with purpose.

Enteprise's theme tube sounded like an amateur folk song and surely someone could have come up with something better.

 

[Gonzo]

I wouldn't be surprised if Lorca lost his captaincy by the end of the season

Either discharged or promoted.

Could be, I would like him to stay to be honest as some still haven't really warmed to Burnham and having Lorca there offers an alternative.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I do like the Discovery tune though, its subdued but with purpose.

Yeah, I've liked the music so far as well. It is subdued, but every once in a while it swells and sets a nice emotional tone for the scene. The Space Tardigrade scene in particular stands out.

 

[Gonzo]

Yeah, I've liked the music so far as well. It is subdued, but every once in a while it swells and sets a nice emotional tone for the scene. The Space Tardigrade scene in particular stands out.

For me Discovery's score is so much better, it just felt to me when I first heard watched Enterprise like they weren't really trying.

Musical scores matter as they set the tone for the whole show.

Yeah the Tardigrade scene was well done both visually when he turned in the direction he wanted to go and in tone.

 

[Prax]

Even though Kang asks Jadzia if she will eat of the Albino's heart? Is he just indulging Kor?

I dunno?