Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust
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Do you think he mentioned The Walking Dead because of Burnham/Green or more because he expects DIS to be similar tone wise, death rates, etc.?
Which is absolutely CBS's goal.
Which is fantastic news. Star Trek needs to bring in new fans, and lots of them.
I was under the impression that the show will be on Netflix outside of America as it is released and once the season is over it would eventually be shown on Netflix in America. I think the the pilot though will be available for everyone on Netflix or it might have been the regular CBS channel. I know they plan on breaking of the seasons like you see with "Walking Dead" so i'm not sure how that impacts stuff. I am also curious if is something you might be able to buy right from the start if you have Amazon Prime. I know you can do that with some shows like "Orphan Black" as one example.
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There would also be the alternative to produce a show for a strong and stable but smaller audience but they have to play their games and produce Games of Thrones in space with a "Star Trek" sticker on it.
Do you know how much Star Trek costs? Lots and lots of money. Unless you want it to look cheap, and we all know how well that preview render of the Discovery was received. The whole series would look like that on a budget for a smaller audience.
I could be wrong, but I don't think they plan to make it available to people in the U.S. on anything other than CBS All Access for a few years.
I think there are too many people who would be OK with waiting only a year to see it via Netflix or iTunes or Amazon, if CBS released season one only a few months after the season ends, and that's not what CBS wants. They want people to feel they need to get CBSAA if they want to see it within the next (say) two years.
The pilot episode will probably be available for free on CBS On Demand for a while, and I bet it hits iTunes sometime soon after it airs, but I wouldn't be surprised if the only way to (legally) watch the production run of the series in the U.S. over the next couple of years would be through CBSAA.
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1) Negatively judging a show before it's released by comparing it to a critically - acclaimed, Emmy winning, pop-culture juggernaut is a failure on two levels.
2) There are already things produced for a strong, stable, and small audience. They are called "fan films."
Star Trek will never be what people like Les Moonves want it to be, it will never be able to reach a level like Games of Thrones or Star Wars.
But they have to try (again and again) and insult people's intelligence in the process, obviously hoping for "fans" who applaud, whatever they come up with.
They should instead adapt their expectations.
But they have to try (again and again) and insult people's intelligence in the process, obviously hoping for "fans" who applaud, whatever they come up with.
They should instead adapt their expectations.
Yeah, the standard argument.
They made trailers and marketing which serve the function to make people decide if they want to watch it or not. So what I do is totally normal. If I have a book of 500 pages I don't read all 500 pages before I "judge" it. You just don't like my conclusions or expectations.
Nothing I've seen, heard, or read concerning the production (trailers, interviews, publicity statements, etc) have insulted my intelligence.
If anything, Discovery so far appears to be an intelligent-looking and well-executed show. What have they done to insult people's intelligence?
Well, that is something that everybody has to decide for him- oder herself.
Oh, so you actually have a judgement and expectations?
1) By using scare quotes your post attempts to de-legitimize individuals who like something that does not conform to your personal taste. That's yet another failure.
2) Your post uses two strawmen (the supposed desire of the head of a multi-billion dollar corporation and some random examples of extremely popular sci-fi franchises) as the basis for your counter-argument.
3) Your post fails to specify what "expectations" "they" should have.
4) Your post attempts to portray previously released marketing as "insulting". To whom? You?
That's a subjective opinion, and it I have little doubt that your opinion is not being consulted by TPTB. Perhaps you could objectively examine why that is the case.
Yeah. Well that's my opinion on it "so far" (as I wrote) as to what it "appears" to be (as I wrote).
I'm just not seeing the "insult[ing] people's intelligence" part of it that you mentioned. Maybe you can be more specific about why you feel people's intelligence is being insulted by what they've provided for us so far. Seriously; how have they insulted the intelligence of the average fan and/or target audience?
The "prime timeline" thing f.e.
This is obviously not "prime timeline".
Other things are pretty normal for movie makers - telling people that the showrunner left the show because he's so busy with his other show.
Well, Enterprise and JJTrek had a lot of insulting things too. It's not too unsual and you still have the right to applaud, so don't worry, fine with me.
How do you know? If you were to say people fifteen-or-so years ago--even with LotR was at its height--that a lesser-know S&S fantasy book series. that was much more politically driven. would go on to become the most popular TV series in history, they'd all laugh at you.
Just because Star Trek has been clawing at the surface for five decades doesn't' mean it will never break through. Being defeatist about it doesn't help anyone.
And, you know, there's always the possibility that its image has more to do with the quality than the content. Funny thing, when it has been good, it's also been pretty popular. Unfortunately, for the majority of those five decades, it wasn't very good.
In what possible way does Discovery actually insult any person's intelligence? Legitimate answers only, please.
That's wishful thinking.
It didn't work with the 2009 reboot and it will not work this time either. Yes, there is a slight possibility but it's not very big.
Especially if people in the US have to buy an extra service.
And as for the rest: sorry, if a showrunner leaves a show and if actors give interviews like "Fans will have to adapt" it's a sign that things might not go like planned. And that's a reason to be sceptical.
If it makes you happy: there is also a chance that the show can convince me but that's not really big either. Nothing from this century with "Star Trek" in the title convinced me much.
Then DISCOVERY is not for you. It's trying to attract new mainstream viewers, not the old trekkies.
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