Loose Ends Left Untied

[The Castellan]

to see Geordi bring a date to Troi and Riker's wedding

This.

3: What happened with Ishara Yarr afterwords.

And did that world's people ever get their act together.

I still think also that Sonja Gomez and Geordi would have made a cute couple. I mean she's treated him well, Geordi was comfortable around her, she was always there when Geordi got in trouble a few times that season, was not some stuck-up ice queen, and I am of that dying breed that thinks best friends make the best lovers.

Plus the fact she was one of the prettier ones is not too bad, either.

 

[The Castellan]

By the way, I would have also liked to see what happened with Kahless.

 

[7thsealord]

By the way, I would have also liked to see what happened with Kahless.

Good one. Just watched that episode this evening.

 

[7thsealord]

3: What happened with Ishara Yarr afterwords.

And did that world's people ever get their act together.

Not within the timespan of TNG or the movies would be my personal guess.

 

[Trek Survivor]

While the suggestions made here are all good plot points for potential follow-up, I don't feel any are really "loose ends". I think TNG did an excellent job of leaving on a perfect note with everything wrapped up in a nice big bow.

Sure, there was always more that could be done, but when "All Good Things" concluded did any of us scream "WTF!?!? What about X and Y, you stupid producers!?!?!" - I didn't!

 

[Vasquez Rocks]

^I agree on "Up the Long Ladder" and "The Hunted."

It isn't that Geordi couldn't end up single, of course, but it got to the point in the series where the fans thought "oh, no, this is going to be a disaster somehow..." whenever Geordi and a woman were somehow involved. It would have been nice, maybe, to see Geordi bring a date to Troi and Riker's wedding in "Nemesis," perhaps?

Maybe Guinan was his date. They were sitting next to each other in that one scene with Worf and he did ask her if she ever thought of getting married again.

 

[The Castellan]

^I agree on "Up the Long Ladder" and "The Hunted."

It isn't that Geordi couldn't end up single, of course, but it got to the point in the series where the fans thought "oh, no, this is going to be a disaster somehow..." whenever Geordi and a woman were somehow involved. It would have been nice, maybe, to see Geordi bring a date to Troi and Riker's wedding in "Nemesis," perhaps?

Maybe Guinan was his date. They were sitting next to each other in that one scene with Worf and he did ask her if she ever thought of getting married again.

That's a May/December if ever I saw one.

Whatever happened to Guinan after all Nemesis?

 

[Mojochi]

Always kind of wondered what became of Julianna Soong, or the android thereof that is. It seems as of late that the universe is running low on Soong type androids, & were people to want to keep that bit of Human genius alive, her existence & discovery would be of great importance

What about Maddox's work? Data seemed to think he was onto something and expressed an interest in cooperating once Maddox was ready. Did he ever get anywhere?

Certainly a good point. Perhaps the research he was wanting to conduct on Data could be continued on B4, being that the possibility of experience loss would be rather minimal, considering B4's lack of development. He might even be able to aid B4 in development. Sure would be significant if Julianna were to figure into that somehow though. She's the most advanced Soong android to ever exist

Ooo! Maddox helps develop B4, who then begins accessing the files Data downloaded to him, finds out about Julianna & is the one who breaks the news to her

Together, the three succeed in continuing the work

Robert leaves the vineyard in his will to Jean-Luc himself. Captain Picard gets one of his relatives in France to operate the vineyard as his agent. In time Picard will leave the vineyard to said relative.

I too thought that very thing to be highly likely. Jean-luc gets it bequeathed to him & decides to keep it running with other Picards in charge. His only stipulation being that they keep it exactly how Robert & his father have kept it for generations

 

[Dr. Crusher]

Whatever happened to Guinan after all Nemesis?

I don't think this was ever explored on screen, although there seems to be a TNG post-Nemesis novel that features Guinan, and perhaps Geordi as well, although my memory may be failing me.

 

[Captrek]

Robert leaves the vineyard in his will to Jean-Luc himself. Captain Picard gets one of his relatives in France to operate the vineyard as his agent. In time Picard will leave the vineyard to said relative.

I too thought that very thing to be highly likely. Jean-luc gets it bequeathed to him & decides to keep it running with other Picards in charge.

According to GEN, Jean-Luc is the last of the Picards. Surely he has other living relatives, but they're not Picards. Unless he procreates, the family name dies with him.

 

[RandyS]

What happened to Lt. Ro Laren?

What happened to Ensign Robin Lefler?

What happened to Ensign Sonya Gomez?

Yes, I realize these are all female characters. I'm interested, for real!

Ro Laren replaced Odo as security chief of DS9.

Robin Lefler is the helmsman of the USS Excalibur.

Sonya Gomez is the chief engineer of the USS da Vinci.

At least, according to the novels. These plot points can be found in the DS9 Relaunch, The New Frontier, and the S.C.E. series.

And before anybody points out that novels aren't canon, let me just say: who cares??

 

[tighr]

Ordinarily, I would agree that its no big deal. But, in the case of Star Trek, I do not consume the novels, so only what appears on screen is real to me. There are WAY too many novels to be able to read them all.

 

[RandyS]

Ordinarily, I would agree that its no big deal. But, in the case of Star Trek, I do not consume the novels, so only what appears on screen is real to me. There are WAY too many novels to be able to read them all.

Make the time if you can. You won't be sorry. Like the onscreen stuff, the quality varies, but ultimately, the books are often better than the shows. They fill in ALOT of the gaps the series and movies leave hanging.

 

[7thsealord]

Ordinarily, I would agree that its no big deal. But, in the case of Star Trek, I do not consume the novels, so only what appears on screen is real to me. There are WAY too many novels to be able to read them all.

Make the time if you can. You won't be sorry. Like the onscreen stuff, the quality varies, but ultimately, the books are often better than the shows. They fill in ALOT of the gaps the series and movies leave hanging.

Often, several times. Just kidding.

There are a lot of very very good novels that are well worth the trouble.

 

[Captrek]

and Tom Riker (post DS9, I suppose)

Well, last we saw him, he was serving a life sentence on a penal colony. I'd be surprised if anybody actually bothered to rescue him.

I just watched that episode. Kira's last words to him are, "I give you my word. We'll get you out of there, Tom. I promise you that."

That promise was never followed up on, so I think it qualifies as a loose end. It's a DS9 loose end though, not a TNG loose end.

 

[TerragonSix]

What ever became of the Picard vineyards after the death of Robert & Rene? I mean it was in their family for generations (No pun intended)

I would perfer personally, that the vineyard remained in the Picard family somehow.

Marie inherits, a romance springs up with a Picard cousin over time and they marry.

Or possibly, in a surprise move, Robert leaves the vineyard in his will to Jean-Luc himself. Captain Picard gets one of his relatives in France to operate the vineyard as his agent. In time Picard will leave the vineyard to said relative.

All in the family.

Well, if you wanted to be technical, during the last episode, "All Good Things", we see an old J-Luc tending a vineyard, suffering from a mental condition in the future. That's not necessarily his future now, especially after the fact that he's seen it, but it does predispose the idea that he spends his elder years tending to the vineyard. How and why he is there is uncertain, but there are no relatives there (that we see in the vineyard), so we can make the assumption that his relatives are dead.

However, nothing is absolute, as we saw in an episode where J-Luc destroys his ship, and somehow, goes back in time before the events that transpired to allow the Enterprise to be warned in time. (Forget the name of the episode, and it was the FIRST one I watched in TNG)

If you KNOW the future, is it possible to change it? At least in TNG universe, it is.

What I would like to know, is the transition of what the Klingons looked like in TOS, compared to TNG.

There is no adequate 'canon' explanation that has ever been given, and Wolf, when asked, says, "We do not talk about it to Outsiders"

Still surprised they haven't come up with anything, perhaps maybe chemical warfare experiments gone awry.

 

[7thsealord]

What I would like to know, is the transition of what the Klingons looked like in TOS, compared to TNG.

There is no adequate 'canon' explanation that has ever been given, and Wolf, when asked, says, "We do not talk about it to Outsiders"

Still surprised they haven't come up with anything, perhaps maybe chemical warfare experiments gone awry.

It was covered in a later episode of 'Enterprise'. Forgotten the title though.

In short, a previous episode involved Augments (genetically-altered humans like Khan). One thing led to another and, as was explained later, the Klingons wound up "acquiring" some Augment DNA. Someone in the Empire had the bright idea of using this to produce their own super-Klingons.

It went seriously wrong - resulting in a Klingon-specific plague that basically re-wrote the victims' DNA so they lost their cranial ridges and ended up looking more or less Human (or, to put it another way, like TOS Klingons). Extremely embarassing for the Klingons, which is why they don't talk about it.

With help from Phlox, the plague was stopped, and the inference was that reconstructive surgery was going to be a major growth industry in the Empire for quite a few years.

Yeah, sounds rather whacked. But, given all the conflicting data put out already, it was probably all the writers could think of to tie it all together. Personally, I liked John M Ford's ideas a heckuva lot better.

 

[TerragonSix]

What I would like to know, is the transition of what the Klingons looked like in TOS, compared to TNG.

There is no adequate 'canon' explanation that has ever been given, and Wolf, when asked, says, "We do not talk about it to Outsiders"

Still surprised they haven't come up with anything, perhaps maybe chemical warfare experiments gone awry.

It was covered in a later episode of 'Enterprise'. Forgotten the title though.

In short, a previous episode involved Augments (genetically-altered humans like Khan). One thing led to another and, as was explained later, the Klingons wound up "acquiring" some Augment DNA. Someone in the Empire had the bright idea of using this to produce their own super-Klingons.

It went seriously wrong - resulting in a Klingon-specific plague that basically re-wrote the victims' DNA so they lost their cranial ridges and ended up looking more or less Human (or, to put it another way, like TOS Klingons). Extremely embarassing for the Klingons, which is why they don't talk about it.

With help from Phlox, the plague was stopped, and the inference was that reconstructive surgery was going to be a major growth industry in the Empire for quite a few years.

Yeah, sounds rather whacked. But, given all the conflicting data put out already, it was probably all the writers could think of to tie it all together. Personally, I liked John M Ford's ideas a heckuva lot better.

Shows you how much I know, never watched Enterprise. Guess my chemical warfare idea was not that far off eh?

 

[The Castellan]

Personally, I liked John M Ford's ideas a heckuva lot better.

Which was?

 

[7thsealord]

Personally, I liked John M Ford's ideas a heckuva lot better.

Which was?

'The Final Reflection', written by John M Ford and, at the time, acclaimed as THE book about Klingons. Very highly recommended. JMF also wrote the excellent 'Klingon' supplement for FASA's 'Star Trek' role-playing game, which borrowed extensively from his book.

TFR was written as a book-within-a-book, with Kirk and co at beginning and end reading about events that wound up forty-odd years before. Note also that this was written before TNG and the Klingons being retconned into Space Bikers. It also extensively used the 'Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology' for background.

Anyhow, Ford's take on the Klingons was as follows. 'Imperial' Klingons are the ones with bony ridges, attitude problems, etc.. In the course of building up their Empire, they have become adept at genetics, and have used this on themselves. The main result has been the creation of 'Fusions' - Klingon sub-races (originally lab-created, but later breeding unassisted) incorporating some genes from certain foes, so that the Empire can fight or otherwise interact with said foes more effectively.

(Part of the reason, too, is that Imperials are fairly specific about their preferred environment. For them, the Human norm is rather chilly, Imperial Klingons like it unGhodly hot and unGhodly humid. Fusions are OK with whatever is standard for Klingons AND whatever race they got their other genes from.)

The most common Fusion type is Human (TOS Klingons). There are also a good number of Romulan Fusions. The RPG supplement had rumours of Fusions of other races (Vulcan, Orion, Andorian, etc.) but these are so rare as to be almost unheard of. Fusions tend to be assigned to border regions associated with their type - Human Fusions against the Federation, Romulan Fusions against the Romulans, etc..

Fusions consider themselves Klingon to the core, and prejudice against them is minimal. Imperial Klingons have a slight inside track on some things, but there is nothing stopping a sufficiently skilled / ruthless Fusion from rising to the top.

Can't really do it all justice here. There are also side-elements like 'The Black Fleet' and 'The Great Game' and the 'Komerex / Khesterex' debate and so on. It is a damn good book even if, like a lot of others, subsequent canon has pushed it aside.