Looks like Stargate is officially done
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Continuum didn't move nearly as many units as Ark of Truth. Had it sold as well or better, there might have been another SG movie.
I liked Continuum a lot more than Ark of Truth.
So did I, but it still didn't sell very well. 
I have no issues. The show took too long to do enough to survive so it was cancelled. That's life. It actually got a better shot than most shows with that second season.
However, it *is* pretty clear that you're bitter about the whole thing.
Mr Awe
The issue was the entire DTV industry softening, combined with the economy tanking and MGM's own financial problems. Too many things happening at once to lay out the money for another production.
Um, yes it did, or at least from what data we have it certainly seems to have. The Numbers reports that Ark of Truth sold over 413,648 units in the US, while Continuum sold at least 409,436. A great return for MGM, they pretty much broke even with their domestic DVD sales alone. Also, Continuum was released as a Bluray straight off the bat, which AoT wasn't until later, so that has to be factored in too.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/0SGAT-DVD.php
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/0SGCT-DVD.php
You're right AoT sold better, but Continuum still sold very well.
Saquist
Commodore
I thought Stargate's philosophy was basically, "We're humans, we're badass, and we're gonna wreck your shit if you get in our way."
That's not usually what is referred to as commentary.
In the later years it was more often ancient tech that defeated the enemy though because the enemy was getting stronger and more desperate.
I think it moved just a smudge too fast. They could have drawn it out but the truth is with powerful allies like the ancients and the Asgards it was inevitable. But I concur to a degree.
I liked Adria. I thought she was a good villain but not the best of the best like Ba'al or Anubis or even Apophis
I only have your word on that. The less I show the more you think is there but then this is just a cursory response, I really don't care if you have issues or not.
No. It actually acted fairly quickly. The Next Season, in fact ,to try and save it's self. They added more lighting, they altered scripts and character relationships slightly, they dropped the heavy use of the stones and kino's. That's quite a bit whether it was by designed or by reflex to the ratings dive. ENT took 3 years not one to make those corrections. Ultimately it was SGU's premise that killed it.
Yes, because after that first season it should have been canceled. SyFy showed remarkable restraint for letting it proceed for Season Two when the writing was so clearly on the wall. From what I've read they were worried with the numbers on the first episodes because a dramatic decline is always proceeds the premier and they didn't capture that many. And since most shows, even successful ones decline with time, SGU was in danger immediately. They know what the trends are better than we do.
I doubt you are capable of seeing it any other way. I could tell you that you can see the leaves on trees from 50 yards away but you're so near-sighted it's just green too you. You think with feeling and therefore apply them to everything. It takes practice to do otherwise and sometimes months to step back from first impressions.
Saquist
I'm not sure where you're getting those numbers. Based on the links you've posted, Stargate: The Ark of Truth sold 536,518 units earning $8,964,949, while Stargate: Continuum sold 464,969 units earning $7,876,123.
In addition to that, Stargate: The Ark of Truth earned at least $4,160,000 in video rentals. It's less clear how much was earned by Stargate: Continuum in terms of video rentals, but since it debuted as the 47th most rented title when it was released and fell of the top 50 list after a single week (compared to Stargate: The Ark of Truth, which debuted as the 37th most rented title, and stayed in the top 50 for three weeks) we can infer that it earned somewhat less than its predecessor.
Stargate: The Ark of Truth definitely did better financially for MGM. It earned over a million dollars more in sales than Stargate: Continuum, and did at least somewhat better on the video rental market (In fact, I would estimate that it did considerably better).
It had a production budget of $7,000,000, but that doesn't include the cost of manufacturing or advertising. And the gross revenue doesn't indicate the cut that goes to retailers where the DVDs were sold, which could be quite substantial, especially at the inflated prices the movie was sold early in its release.
And the best indicator that these didn't blow MGM's socks off: additional DVD movies are dead in the water, despite the fact that scripts for at least two of them are already completed.
And the best indicator that these didn't blow MGM's socks off: additional DVD movies are dead in the water, despite the fact that scripts for at least two of them are already completed.
There's also the fact MGM was going bankrupt. That's not to say that the performance of the DVD sales wasn't underwhelming, but I don't think it's an accurate picture of the whole story either.
Yeah. It's not clear on the main page, but if you click to see the sales charts, they're labeled "US DVD Sales."
The bankruptcy situation was certainly a factor, but MGM's bankruptcy woes are over. And the DVD movies? Still dead in the water.
I was going to address this in my post, although since I don't know anything as fact, I didn't want to give too many theories at once.
I think the reason for that would be that by the time MGM recovered, the sets and props/costumes had already been taken down and/or sold sold off. Even though it wasn't official until recently, I think the fate of the shows was pretty much decided during the bankruptcy, even though the final fate wasn't decided until later.
And now that it's been a little while since the last movies, they may feel that the time has passed and that the momentum from the show and previous movies is gone.
Mind you, I'm not denying that they also saw the decreased DVD sales and figured it wasn't worth the money, coupled with the poor performance of SGU. But I don't believe it was the sole factor. Had MGM still been doing well for money, the chances of another SG-1 and SGA movie going ahead would have been much higher. It sounded like they were both pretty much greenlit until MGM went bankrupt, although I don't know how accurate that is either.
But the delays from the bankruptcy and SGU's failure definitely a contributing factor to the decision.
When you are bankrupt and restructuring, you focus on things that are profitable and slash everything that's not. That there are no further SG movies on the horizon should tell you how it balanced out from MGM's end. If they made decent money, they would be an important part of a restructuring package. While the Stargate franchise may be worth something to MGM, it is evidently not worth enough for them to invest money into it right now.
Wow, what on Earth are you talking about?! It's like you think you pull out some random thing and it actually makes sense! Have fun mumbling to yourself!
Mr Awe
It's quite evident Saquist's one and only strategy--one which is not very effective, by the way--is to claim his views are incontrovertible facts based on objective analysis of the data presented, and anyone who disagrees is simply being emotional and and subjective, therefore wrong.
You can say it as many times as you like, Saquist. Doesn't make it so.
