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Looks like Netflix is interested in making a New Star Trek Show

None of that matters as long as Les Moonves is not interested in putting new Trek on TV.

As it is, he doesn't have to invest a dime of CBS capital, and the cash just keeps pouring in.

There are diminishing returns on the older library. CBS has put money in the HD upgrades for TOS and TNG to help sell there broadcast rights in markets that less and less do not want SD products. A new product will have to be introduced at some point to keep the value of the franchise at an acceptable level.

Like I said, he doesn't have to. The money put into remastering was just to sell to the guaranteed repeat customers, and probably a fraction of the cost of a new series.

Moonves is a savvy businessman. If there was a bigger fortune to be made, he'd be all over it regardless of what he thinks of Trek as a franchise. As it is, maintaining the status quo is fine with him. Watch what he does if revenues from Trek start to drop.
 
None of that matters as long as Les Moonves is not interested in putting new Trek on TV.

As it is, he doesn't have to invest a dime of CBS capital, and the cash just keeps pouring in.

Which is the appeal of Netflix. Moonves doesn't have to put Star Trek on CBS. He just has to accept Netflix's money and let Netflix worry about monetizing the viewers. As long as Netflix is willing to pay Moonves more than it costs to produce the show he's fine.

The issue until now has been CBS generally doesn't produce for other networks and Moonves doesn't think Star Trek can generate enough viewers on CBS. But if CBS will now produce for Netflix/Amazon and Netflix/Amazon thinks it can generate enough subscriptions to pay for the show, then there may be a financial model that works for everyone.
 
I just don't see CBS willing to share (much less give up) ownership/licensing rights of a Trek TV series to anyone else. If one could convince Netflix/Amazon (or whoever) to pay many millions for something they will never own or be able to license...
 
I just don't see CBS willing to share (much less give up) ownership/licensing rights of a Trek TV series to anyone else. If one could convince Netflix/Amazon (or whoever) to pay many millions for something they will never own or be able to license...

Look at what Netflix did for Arrested Development and The Killing. They're only paying to distribute the new episodes. Lilyhammer only aired on Netflix in the US, but was produced by someone else. Orange is the New Black was produced by Lionsgate. Even House of Cards has separate production companies. And beyond all that, you have the Disney/Marvel deal with Netflix. If Disney can work out a licensing deal with Netflix for original Marvel shows then I'm sure CBS can work out something for Star Trek.
 
I just don't see CBS willing to share (much less give up) ownership/licensing rights of a Trek TV series to anyone else. If one could convince Netflix/Amazon (or whoever) to pay many millions for something they will never own or be able to license...

Look at what Netflix did for Arrested Development and The Killing. They're only paying to distribute the new episodes. Lilyhammer only aired on Netflix in the US, but was produced by someone else. Orange is the New Black was produced by Lionsgate. Even House of Cards has separate production companies. And beyond all that, you have the Disney/Marvel deal with Netflix. If Disney can work out a licensing deal with Netflix for original Marvel shows then I'm sure CBS can work out something for Star Trek.
If they could, they would have done so already.
 
In a way, there's already a door opened by having every series and most of the movies on Netflix.

The biggest hangup to a deal would probably be budgets vs. revenue, as a Star Trek series would cost a lot more than any of the current Netflix shows.
 
Not using Netflix/Amazon/Hulu would be ridiculous.

That works under the assumption that Netflix or another streaming service think that Trek will drive subscriptions. It also works under the assumption that CBS and another production company could come to terms economically acceptable to both parties.
 
Doesn't CBS own Showtime?

If ol' Mr. Mooney wanted to put Trek on TV he could keep all the money in-house instead of letting Netflix have a cut.

But then we come back around to the starting point: Les Moonves says he isn't interested.
 
I just don't see CBS willing to share (much less give up) ownership/licensing rights of a Trek TV series to anyone else. If one could convince Netflix/Amazon (or whoever) to pay many millions for something they will never own or be able to license...

Look at what Netflix did for Arrested Development and The Killing. They're only paying to distribute the new episodes. Lilyhammer only aired on Netflix in the US, but was produced by someone else. Orange is the New Black was produced by Lionsgate. Even House of Cards has separate production companies. And beyond all that, you have the Disney/Marvel deal with Netflix. If Disney can work out a licensing deal with Netflix for original Marvel shows then I'm sure CBS can work out something for Star Trek.
If they could, they would have done so already.

If CBS studios was interested. Until now there hasn't been any indication they were, but CBS now at least claims they're interested in producing for online services. Whether they want to produce star trek is still an open question. But at least there is one fewer question.


Doesn't CBS own Showtime?

If ol' Mr. Mooney wanted to put Trek on TV he could keep all the money in-house instead of letting Netflix have a cut.

But then we come back around to the starting point: Les Moonves says he isn't interested.

Mooneves has now said he's interested in producing for Netflix. He may or may not be interested in producing star trek, but he's not committed to keeping shows on CBS properties anymore.
 
After lurking here for quite a long time, I signed up here just to post some common sense points that seem to get lost on the jaded Trek community.

First of all, this exact moment is not the perfect time for a new show, but that time is rapidly approaching. I am blown away that many are arguing that there would not be an audience for a show, now, or in the near future. I would be willing to bet the farm that many of you would have said, after the unfortunate failure that ultimately was Enterprise, that multiple, large budget, feature length reboot films would have been unimaginable, yet, here we are.

The built-in fans are used to Trek in a TV show format, and that is how they are accustomed to consuming that universe, and despite what some executive at CBS may or may not have a said a few years back about not being interested in a new TV series, there are a few very important milestones in both the Trek world and in how serialized drama is consumed that very well could have changed all of that. If you think that the interest in the movies, combined with a myriad of new ways to create, produce, and distribute a show in this era of entertainment has not led to CBS very seriously considering an altogether new Trek-based show, then you are out of your mind.

Like I said, this very moment is not the time to announce, or even begin preliminary work on a new show, because at the moment, the fans new and old have something Trek that is on the horizon with the third film, but once that concludes, there will be a mainstream and cult market out there that would like to see more of the universe. I personally know several young adults who have been brought into TNG, DS9, etc. just because the movies put the idea of Trek into their minds, not to mention previous fans who are now rewatching their favorite series. There will be a market for a show, and again, you are incredibly cynical if you believe CBS will just go, "Hey those movies did great! People seem to like Star Trek! Let's put DS9 on Blu-ray and let it die."

That being said, I believe the fan base alone could make a Netflix incarnation of Star Trek a reality, and a success. I hate to say it, but the "nerd" thing is really popular right now. There is a bar near my house that shows new Game of Thrones episodes on sundays, and the place is packed. Every. Single. Time. The people who are there are from all walks of life, many are now reading the books, and to be honest, if you told me when I was 18 that soon all of the hot chicks in my class were going to be fervently watching a sword and shield fantasy show full of dragons, magic, and beards, I would have told you you were a lunatic. But here we are. Like it or not, there are those who work in mainstream television production who are definitely taking advantage of the fact the it is cool (at the moment) to be a nerd. It's the only explanation for Chris Hardwick's success. Just look around, Cosmos = Record Ratings, GoT = Gigantic in scale and popularity, The nerd sitcoms, Walking Dead = Diverse and large veiwrship. What's missing? A decent Sci-fi show. Think about it, Netflix shows are awesome, and popular, what better way to fill the Sci-fi gap than with a show with a built-in 60 years and running, fan base than with a Star Trek series? Putting it on Netflix would be the best way to make that happen, especially considering the realism they could add without having to make it Network safe.

Sorry for the rant, I'll edit to clean it up later, but I had to spill this out somewhere after reading and reading countless posts that seem like they are trying to convince the person posting them that a Trek series will never happen.
 
Nice post, TheNatural.

Doesn't CBS own Showtime?

If ol' Mr. Mooney wanted to put Trek on TV he could keep all the money in-house instead of letting Netflix have a cut.

But then we come back around to the starting point: Les Moonves says he isn't interested.

Showtime at least has a better share of households than Netflix, so it would likely help there too. But I'm not sure if sci fi fits their brand of TV series.
 
A show that was cancelled on its network over a decade ago? Yeah, that's completely relevant to TV on Showtime today...
 
Nice post, TheNatural.

Thanks, kinda sucks that it's going to be buried, though.

I agree with Showtime being an unlikely conduit for a new series, although I would be shocked if more people had access to Showtime than Netflix. If I were to guess, I would have thought Netflix had many more subscribers. Everyone I know from my parents and their contemporaries, to nearly all of mine have Netflix accounts, and off the top of my head I can't think of any more than a handful that have Showtime. I certainly do not.
 
Nice post, TheNatural.

Thanks, kinda sucks that it's going to be buried, though.

I agree with Showtime being an unlikely conduit for a new series, although I would be shocked if more people had access to Showtime than Netflix. If I were to guess, I would have thought Netflix had many more subscribers. Everyone I know from my parents and their contemporaries, to nearly all of mine have Netflix accounts, and off the top of my head I can't think of any more than a handful that have Showtime. I certainly do not.

Yeah, I don't have it either (I would if Star Trek was on there).

I think it depends on where you get your data. According to this site, about a quarter of the US households have it. This site says about the same for Netflix. I'm not really sure what to believe there.

But if they're even moderately equal, using Showtime would make more sense from a profitability standpoint.
 
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