Looking forward to "Star Trek 3"

[Lord Garth]

Hi. It's been a while since I posted here. Close to two years. Unless there's something I'm misremembering, not since Star Trek Into Darkness was released. I liked Star Trek (2009) but STID not so much, so I've stayed away. Going on and on about a movie I didn't like for two years isn't exactly my type of thing.

With "Star Trek 3", it's a different story. Literally. I can get behind Simon Pegg writing. If there were absolutely nothing else, it would at least be fun.

But there are other things. More roles and better roles for women, for one. And then there's the villain, which is the biggest draw.

An actor like Bryan Cranston, if not Cranston himself, and who might be like Heisenberg, a.k.a Walter White.

Breaking Bad is a show that I'm afraid to re-watch because the first time around last year, once I started I couldn't stop. I watched all 63 episodes in a single week. Whenever it was possible for me to be watching a TV, I was. I had to go from one episode to the next. I just had to keep going.

Walter White and his rise (or downfall, depending on how you look at it) was mesmerizing and you can see his motivations for doing what he did whether you agreed with him or not. Very tragic.

If this is what they want to have for a villain, I'm all for it.

http://www.treknews.net/2015/02/03/bryan-cransto-new-characters-star-trek-3-rumors/

 

[Captrek]

God, I long for a Trek movie that doesn't climax in the heroes triumphing over the villains in combat. Is that really so much to ask?

 

[Lord Garth]

I would like that too but it's not happening, at least not here. So, that being the case, I'd rather have a compelling villain than a cardboard cut-out.

 

[Makarov]

God, I long for a Trek movie that doesn't climax in the heroes triumphing over the villains in combat. Is that really so much to ask?

I agree. And lets get some conference table scenes in here too

 

[Captrek]

God, I long for a Trek movie that doesn't climax in the heroes triumphing over the villains in combat. Is that really so much to ask?

I agree. And lets get some conference table scenes in here too

In NuTrek, even conference table scenes end in combat.

 

[Mudd]

Excellent point.

 

[Sindatur]

God, I long for a Trek movie that doesn't climax in the heroes triumphing over the villains in combat. Is that really so much to ask?

I agree. And lets get some conference table scenes in here too

In NuTrek, even conference table scenes end in combat.

"In Soviet Russia, Conference Table pounds on you"

 

[F. King Daniel]

Loved the first two, most definitely looking forward to #3.

 

[fireproof78]

#3 can't get here fast enough, in my opinion. I will be curious to see what direction Lin takes the film in.

 

[Smellmet]

I'm massively looking forward to 3, and I think Lin will continue the franchise in much the same way of the first 2, and I've got no problem with that whatsoever.

JJ has given the movies their own visual style for this generation, and I love it, it's shiny and exciting and looks like no other action/sci fi franchise out there, combined with the Bridge sets that I'm sure they'll carry over and JJ as producer, it will surely fit in with the first 2 but with some welcome new blood that has experience of doing blockbusters with an ensemble cast.

I think it will be great.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

God, I long for a Trek movie that doesn't climax in the heroes triumphing over the villains in combat. Is that really so much to ask?

Better than the other way around.

 

[Dales]

Hi. It's been a while since I posted here. Close to two years. Unless there's something I'm misremembering, not since Star Trek Into Darkness was released. I liked Star Trek (2009) but STID not so much, so I've stayed away. Going on and on about a movie I didn't like for two years isn't exactly my type of thing.

With "Star Trek 3", it's a different story. Literally. I can get behind Simon Pegg writing. If there were absolutely nothing else, it would at least be fun.

But there are other things. More roles and better roles for women, for one. And then there's the villain, which is the biggest draw.

An actor like Bryan Cranston, if not Cranston himself, and who might be like Heisenberg, a.k.a Walter White.

Breaking Bad is a show that I'm afraid to re-watch because the first time around last year, once I started I couldn't stop. I watched all 63 episodes in a single week. Whenever it was possible for me to be watching a TV, I was. I had to go from one episode to the next. I just had to keep going.

Walter White and his rise (or downfall, depending on how you look at it) was mesmerizing and you can see his motivations for doing what he did whether you agreed with him or not. Very tragic.

If this is what they want to have for a villain, I'm all for it.

http://www.treknews.net/2015/02/03/bryan-cransto-new-characters-star-trek-3-rumors/

same here for me, I love star trek 2009, disappointed with the sequel and I am optimistic about trek 3, maybe this new team will be a masterful job for trek 3.

 

[Captrek]

God, I long for a Trek movie that doesn't climax in the heroes triumphing over the villains in combat. Is that really so much to ask?

Better than the other way around.

Interesting question: what are some good movies in which it is the other way around?

Historical examples abound: The Alamo, Spartacus, Masada and 300.

In original fiction: Terminator 3 and Arlington Road, sort of. Revenge of the Sith.

 

[Cyke101]

God, I long for a Trek movie that doesn't climax in the heroes triumphing over the villains in combat. Is that really so much to ask?

I agree. And lets get some conference table scenes in here too

In NuTrek, even conference table scenes end in combat.

Shaky cam and lens flares at the PowerPoint presentation!

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Anyway, I too am looking forward to ST3, though it's more a combination of Pegg and Justin Lin for me.

As for villains, even though they weren't the primary antagonists, Klaa and his crew ended up partying with Kirk and Co. For all of TFF's faults, what other Trek movie can claim that? And the primary antagonist ended up redeeming himself anyway before sacrificing himself to the Big Bad.

 

[Lord Garth]

I feel like I should point out that both First Contact and Nemesis had conference room scenes and both were the more action-packed TNG films.

In fact, in FC, Picard breaks his little ships while screaming in rage.

Soooo... conference room scenes don't necessarily mean "no action". In Old Trek or New Trek.

 

[Cyke101]

In fact, in FC, Picard breaks his little ships while screaming in rage.

Well, to be fair, that wasn't so much of a "conference" as it was Lily kicking Picard's butt via reason.

(Did that ever happen to Picard on the show anyway? Even if it did, how often did it happen? It was pretty unique in the movies, certainly)

 

[Lord Garth]

In TNG on TV? Never that I recall.

I'd even go so far as to say "I, Borg" and "Journey's End" show the differences between Picard was emotionally in the series versus where he was in First Contact and Insurrection respectively, dealing with the Borg and his (re)action to/of stopping the relocation of a planet's inhabitants.

 

[Captrek]

In fact, in FC, Picard breaks his little ships while screaming in rage.

Well, to be fair, that wasn't so much of a "conference" as it was Lily kicking Picard's butt via reason.

(Did that ever happen to Picard on the show anyway? Even if it did, how often did it happen? It was pretty unique in the movies, certainly)

I, Borg?

Incidentally, Lilly does her own share of screaming in that argument. Spock she is not. And one on-the-nose metaphor doesn't constitute kicking butt via reason. It only works because of Picard's emotional connection to the novel.

 

[Cyke101]

In TNG on TV? Never that I recall.

I'd even go so far as to say "I, Borg" and "Journey's End" the differences between Picard was emotionally in the series versus where he was in First Contact and Insurrection respectively, dealing with the Borg and his (re)action to/of stopping the relocation of a planet's inhabitants.

It's still only about twice (I'd wager perhaps slightly more) in about 7 years, so pretty rare in any case.

In fact, in FC, Picard breaks his little ships while screaming in rage.

Well, to be fair, that wasn't so much of a "conference" as it was Lily kicking Picard's butt via reason.

(Did that ever happen to Picard on the show anyway? Even if it did, how often did it happen? It was pretty unique in the movies, certainly)

I, Borg?

Incidentally, Lilly does her own share of screaming in that argument. Spock she is not. And one on-the-nose metaphor doesn't constitute kicking butt via reason. It only works because of Picard's emotional connection to the novel.

Sure, okay. But it still got Picard to lose his cool and then back down, which still doesn't happen often as he's usually the one that comes out on top during these things.

So perhaps I should've said the scene in FC wasn't a conference as it was a confrontation. It just so happened in a conference room, but that's merely a stage.

 

[Lord Garth]

In TNG on TV? Never that I recall.

I'd even go so far as to say "I, Borg" and "Journey's End" the differences between Picard was emotionally in the series versus where he was in First Contact and Insurrection respectively, dealing with the Borg and his (re)action to/of stopping the relocation of a planet's inhabitants.

It's still only about twice (I'd wager perhaps slightly more) in about 7 years, so pretty rare in any case.

?

I just said it happened zero times in the series, not twice. So, yeah, definitely rare. I'm with you there that in FC it was a stage.