Spoilers Loki discussion thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by The Nth Doctor, Jun 5, 2021.

  1. Turtletrekker

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    Actually, I'm willing to accept a compromise regarding Agents of SHIELD. I can accept that seasons 6 and 7 may or may not have taken place in a variant timeline that may or may not have been pruned.
     
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  2. Noname Given

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    The TVA is wherever it needs to be in the timeline, past, present, or future. To them it's a "sacred" timeline, meaning they know every aspect of it. They know how time starts they know how time ends, and their entire purpose is just to maintain the timeline and ensure what is destined to happen, always happens as it should.

    That's why they have those "charges/bombs" or whatever they are, which are detonated to somehow reset the timeline after an aberration occurs.
     
  3. JirinPanthosa

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    I like the way they had a drawer full of infinity stones.

    They seem to be way better than Relativity at this.
     
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  4. UssGlenn

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    speaking of which, there were really cagey about what exactly happens when they set one of those off, especially to the local bystanders. Something tells me we will be shocked and horrified about it later.
     
  5. JirinPanthosa

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    Maybe the leader of the TVA turns out to be Rick.

    We don’t know if the TVA is outside of time. They could just be in the far future for all we know.
     
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  6. LaxScrutiny

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    ?? Rick Jones? Rick Astley?
     
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  7. Tuskin38

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    I think that was a Rick and Morty reference.
     
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  8. JD

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    Io9 has a new interview with Loki director Kate Herron.
    The way the article talks about Miss Minutes, it almost makes it sound like we might see in the real world in some form. At one point it talks about bringing to life "beyond the 2D plane", and then later Herron calls her a "Roger Rabbit character".
     
  9. Workbee

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    Maybe time in the TVA is a Jeremy Bearimy?

     
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  10. Trekker4747

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    Not what it says. Damn! How is that so many across the internet got this wrong? The infinity stones are useless trinkets no one regards as important in the TVA! Obviously in the tangible, real, universe they've very powerful and very important given that, you know, they can wipe out half of all existence and cause chaotic disruptions in the timeline.

    I bit the bullet and subscribed to D+ and watched the first episode and thought it was great, far more invested in this after one episode than I was after watching 2 episodes of W&V when visiting my parents a few weeks ago. I understand it gets good/interesting/better or whatever after a while but just watching two episodes that were essentially riffs on decades old sitcoms wasn't entrapping me. Was taking too long to tell me what the "story" was and what was happening.

    Loki throws you into it, gets us all (and Loki) caught up and make an interesting premise and setting. Was great. I need to get me a Roku device so I can watch this on the TV instead of here on the computer.

    Hiddleston is great and loved getting some good Owen Wilson.

    Loved, loved, LOVED the D.B. Cooper bit. As soon as he passed the note to the stewardess I was like "Awesome!" and then he jumps off the Airstair and is Rainbowbridged back to Asgard scattering the money across the landscape? Great! Give me that instead of some riff on I Love Lucy. (FWIW, once I get the Roku device, I'll likely finish W&V on the tele.)
     
  11. FPAlpha

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    No one, including me, is saying the Infinity Stones are not that powerful however we have been told and shown for several movies how powerful they are, regular people can't even touch them or risk exploding themselves and everything around them, all together basically makes you god but inside the TVA they are used as paperweights and are kept unsecured in a drawer in an old box like you would do with lost & found stuff in a bar.

    So these supposedly all powerful items have no power at all inside the TVA ergo what has been said about them is just not completely true.
     
  12. Trekker4747

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    Only the Power Stone ("The Orb") has the "so powerful you can explode" effect, the others have different effects when touched, if any real effect at all.

    And, naturally the stones are pointless in a place where magic doesn't work and that exists outside of time and space; the stones are going to have no purpose to people who don't even know what fish are.

    I just keep seeing this everywhere "we've seen for over 10 years how great and awesome these stones are and here we're told that everything ever said that they're pointless ha-ha!" Which is annoying, because it's not what is said at all. Here. In this specific place. They're pointless. Because this place doesn't really "exist." In places that do exist? Yeah, they're pretty damn important.
     
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  13. Noname Given

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    No what it demonstrates is that whatever realm the TVA exists in, said realm is absolutely outside of the 'normal universe'; and it has its own rules, of which the audience is completely unaware.

    Plus all the beings there are constructs of these Timekeepers they mentioned. Remember you had one clerk who asked: "What's a fish?".

    So yeah the environment and the beings in it (Even though said beings look human); are all their own thing and not part of any universe in the multiverse.
     
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  14. Xerxes82

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    Or, alternatively, everything that has been said about them is COMPLETELY true, but the TVA is just on an entirely different scale of power. Which is exactly what the series does with the idea. Loki breaks when he realises that even Infinity Stones, previously believed to be the ultimate power in the universe, are completely irrelevant in the face of the power of the TVA. He has had his world entirely re-conceptualized.

    That doesn't diminish the stones at all, it sets the scale. Everything in Infinity War and Endgame? The entire fate of half of all living things in the universe? It's a trifling, yawn-inducing slow day to these people.

    If anything, it makes the second Loki variant all the more intriguing. If the TVA is THAT powerful, how can (another? different? future?) Loki have them on the run? Something about the variant Mobius is chasing is vastly different, and vastly more dangerous, than anything we've seen from Loki thus far.
     
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    I thought it's interesting that yet again they retcon something here and are leaning into the comics more and calling this "magic" when it used to be "science" in 'Thor' and magic to humans who couldn't understand it.
     
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    Completely off topic but related to the above. Did Thor seem smarter in the first movie compared to later? Like he understood how the Bifrost worked. Though I guess that’s maybe something he was taught growing up or as part of his training
     
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    The reason they didn't mention Coulson coming back to life (then dying again, then being an evil alien, then a robot) is because it's completely irrelevant to the story the episode was telling. The point of the scene was that Loki has done some evil shit; adding that Coulson actually survived would needlessly complicate things, distract from the actual meaning of the scene, and confuse viewers who've never seen AoS (which, let's face it, is quite a lot of viewers.)

    I kind of took the infinity stones being powerless to mean that they were stones from dead timelines that no longer had power in them, but looking back yeah it was probably just supposed to show that the TVA exists outside of normal space and is absurdly powerful in a way even Loki can comprehend.
     
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  18. Trekker4747

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    Hell, as son as the door closes when Loki is been brought into the TVA the Tesseract loses its brilliant glow and becomes pretty dim.

    I think it's still kind of the "latter" but here when talking about "magic" we're more talking about abilities and "powers" alien creatures possess that humans do not. Sort of how a dog is "magic" because it can hear many times better than humans but, really, is neither "magical" nor a "god."

    The only "true" magic is what is used by Dr. Strange and the rest of the sorcerers and such and there it seems there's some level of training and having to understand how to use it at play. Loki and Asgardians simply have abilities other species lack.
     
  19. Turtletrekker

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    I love that Miss Minutes exposition utilized both the words "Multiverse" and "Madness".
     
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  20. Captaindemotion

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    Cannot have been coincidental, surely?