It would make sense to set up shop next to the galaxie's most important travel hub.
Location of Federation HQ post The Burn
- Thread starter mattman8907
- Start date
We have seen a blue nebula or a really large energy field in the episode 5 trailer (where the SF HQ is presumably located).
It could be the Badlands or just a nebula... or a camouflage that's concealing a Dyson Sphere, huge space station, or just a ship...
Also, it could also NOT be Federation/SF HQ but something entirely different.
It could be the Badlands or just a nebula... or a camouflage that's concealing a Dyson Sphere, huge space station, or just a ship...
Also, it could also NOT be Federation/SF HQ but something entirely different.
Dyson sphere is not going to happen this season.
the problem with a dyson sphere, at least the outside of it, and to some degree the inside is there's no to do the enormity of it in screen. A ringworld has that visual advantage over the dyson sphere in that regard.
I would love to see a Yorktown style constructed world, but there's no way they have the budget for that.
Or else...???
Out there. Thataway.
If we get one, I want it to be entirely Starfleet/Federation make (not alien).
The federation is being run by a very very old Riker living in the Briar patch being helped by commodore Soji
Sure, 900 years in committee and 30 years to build.
Not actual size...
WE could have built a Dyson Swarm in reality by now if we wanted to using automated bots and Mercury/asteroid field for raw materials.
The Federation would have been able to construct their own Dyson Swarms in late 22nd century around each/every member species star, and from that point on just connect the array of solar collectors with interconnected structures that have plethora of technologies on board like thrusters, sensors, etc (even 22nd century shuttles had those in a compact package, and each solar collector would be 16km large - you can make multiple nodes of same technology by networking it and vastly improving communications, sensors, etc. - it would be similer to having millions of Argus arrays orbiting the star - except that they would also have molecular manufacturing facilities, transporters, etc - and if spread over 16km surface area, you vastly increase the output - all networked together wirelessly... on in case of Trek, it would be done via subspace)... I mean even the hull materials they use would be good enough (you don't need Neutronium to make a Dyson Sphere).
Last edited:
I hope you are joking.
Construction of a Dyson Swarm would be completed in real life within 30 years because it would be done purely by automated bots and because construction would proceed at an exponential pace... and, a similar thing would apply to the full blown Dyson Sphere.
We're not talking about manual labor here... we're talking full blown automation at an exponential pace (you start off with a self-replicating swarm of automated construction bots which make 1 solar collector, then you end up with 2 collectors, then 4, then 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, etc.... and very fast you reach millions - even for automated bots this wouldn't be much of a problem to finish in 20-30 years... after that if you want to 'close it up' into a sold Sphere, it would take a similar amount of time... more or less - remember that decades have passed by that point and construction methodology would have vastly improved by orders of magnitude through adaptive algorithms and better materials while the swarm was being built - and those bots would have 3d printing at their disposal at the very least and those systems could upgrade themselves too).
Once you have a swarm in place though, not sure if there's too much benefit in finishing it up with an enclosed sphere because you can still get largely the same effect.
Last edited:
Well, this proves that the Federation is a communist state.
They wouldn’t even need source materials, since energy to matter conversion is widely available in Star Trek.
Exactly... or at least from 24th century onward they wouldn't need to source materials at all.
We could posit Starfleet had Dyson Swarms since the formation of the Federation, but waited until they could perfect replication technology so they could convert actual energy into matter (like 24th century replicators do - and they would have an idea it was possible due to transporters).
They would still build themselves and would power themselves by the stars they're accumulating energy from.
Also the federation is not communist - or at least it doesn't strike me as communist.
For something to spend 900 years in a committee is hardly a hallmark of communism... in fact, I'd say its a hallmark of Capitalism (because it does nothing for actual progress when you think about it and its filled with bureaucracy).
Trek had numerous technological options which it could have (and 'should have') incorporated, but never did for relatively 'weak' reasons (aka writer handwaving).
Just think of all the technologies we saw in the 23rd and 24th centuries that never made it past their initial stage in hundreds of years since then... even though they should have in a matter of years or a few decades at most (realistically). This is just bad writing by people who don't entirely understand how science and technology evolve.
As a side note, 'communism' never existed on Earth in real life... we had fascism... which is different... oh and incidentally, that regime killed 100 million people in 100 years (if you go by the 'inflated' figures from 'black book of communism')... whereas Capitalism presently kills 11 million people every year due to homelessness, preventable diseases and starvation - even though we produce more than enough for everyone - so over a span of a decade, Capitalism already kills 110 million people - at least).
Last edited:
I know, it was just a silly joke on my part. Been reading about the Soviet revolution lately and got carried away.
Couldn’t agree more with the whole of your post.
unfortunately in the vast majority of cases the franchise was never able to carry out the logical ramifications of the technology introduced, either because the writers didn’t think about them or, simply, they weren’t familiar with what previous writers had done. Modern Trek is no different in this regard.
Sadly, Trek doesn't like exploring ramifications regarding technology presented. It simply is and the story moves on.
Ah, didn't realize it was a joke... my bad.
And you know, it also got me thinking about the Soviet union... and the fact while it did fall a little short on implementation, it was nevertheless well developed when it came to technology and science (in various areas even more so than the West [and USA] at large).
Anyway, I just find it a wasted opportunity because Trek was initially based on real science and illustrating how implementation of science and technology for betterment of everyone (and the environment) can give a better future - it would be nice seeing Trek going back to that (and I'm pretty sure it can be done in a way to appeal to the mainstream).
And constructing a bunch of Dyson Swarms (at least) would have made sense from a scientific point of view.
Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised at some point with this... but I'm not going to hold my breadth.
Last edited:
Similar threads
