Living Witness

[Guy Gardener]

Living Witness was a first draft for Enterprises final Episode These Were the Voyages, right?

My critical scathing and misrepresentation of the spirit with which the story telling of Voyager was intended (Because the writers are lazy and delusional.) isn't too far off the mark compared to the bias from historical Chinese whispers.

What Timo said about the timing is interesting, but then the Doctor's vision of the characters matched the approximate ages of the actors in question unless he was playing to their vanity and air brushing the hells out of their ages weight and gray.

 

[DanCPA]

Living Witness was a first draft for Enterprises final Episode These Were the Voyages, right?

That is just wrong! You are lucky I am not a mod!

 

[Guy Gardener]

What? That 7 years on, with their creative instinct running on empty they half tombraided, half relic hunted and half plagiarized the best and most kindly received episode of Voyager after Jen Left while they're getting booted out of the studio and some punk was changing the locks on the Bees?

I only meant that Living Witness was an innocent victim to a couple vampires called Berman and Braga. It's not Living Witnesses fault.

 

[Kegek]

Yeah, this is a very good episode. I loved it at the time and still do. It's fun, especially seeing the actors go wild with their evil personas, it's good drama with the problems faced to the EMH, and it even has an effectively delivered point about the mutability of history. It has shades of Rashomon in the last respect, and far better utilised than in TNG's "A Matter of Perspective."

As far as hologram logic goes... I'm not touching that. Star Trek is notoriously elastic about how easy or how complicated it is to create holographic lifeforms, the answer always being dependent on how well or how badly it suits that week's plot. Nobody on Voyager can back up the Doctor (yet there's a backup); Krell Moset could be conjured up with a bit of work by the same folks and on the Enterprise-D a sentient hologram can be created just by posing a question. And yet it takes a lifetime of work and a master in the field to create the EMH.

Best. Voyager. Episode. Ever.

It's certainly up there, like many other Picardo-centric affairs.

 

[bullethead]

I loved the Voyager Encounter parts because they were the closest thing to a good Mirror Universe episode that the TNG-era gave us (the DS9 episodes started decent, then became more cheesy as time went on). The Warship Voyager was awesome too.

 

[Tomalak]

Of course this defies a previous episode where they were unable to create a backup copy of the EMH because it was too complicated.

I don't really care much for the technical details of the Trek shows, but there has to be some semblance of consistency, at least when it concerns a major part of a character.

For the first couple of years we're told how special the Doctor is. Then all of a sudden there are back-ups of him, and then he and Harry Kim knock up a perfect Cardassian scientist in about three minutes flat, despite this being impossible a few episodes ago. In the end they delete him, but you are left wondering why they don't just make a legion of holograms and give Tom Paris some more time off.

It would be like revealing that Chakotay has a twin brother who's been around all along. Or making those original 39 torpedoes last forever. And never running out of replicator rations. Or shuttlecraft.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You seen The Arena? kirk was able to put together a cannon from the raw resource of a planet while being hunted a by a Gorn, and you don't thin these people can build more torpedoes? They would have to suck so bad if they couldn't mass produce some sort of weapon which whooshes out of their torpedo tubes.

They built the Delta Flier in less than a day, and I think the Cardasian scientist was already part of the doctors program and they just sliced it off and added an interactive personality because Voyager is written by wet idiots.

I found it interesting that they thought Holograms were people in the future, and that the Doctor could be tried for his crimes, and be put to death if it went badly... Just madness.

 

[Unicron]

I think one of the episode's key strengths is in showing how other DQ races thought about Voyager, albeit with some of their details wrong. We heard it mentioned occasionally in other eps, but nothing on this scale.

 

[kimc]

I think one of the episode's key strengths is in showing how other DQ races thought about Voyager, albeit with some of their details wrong. We heard it mentioned occasionally in other eps, but nothing on this scale.

Well in the other episodes the Kazon were specifically making up rumors about them so that they could eventually steal the ship without worrying about Voyager having any allies.

In this case though we had one race fabricating the truth in order to make their own questionnable history look better. Voyager just happened to get in the middle of it all.

 

[Tyberius]

Best. Voyager. Episode. Ever.

It is one of my favorites.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I think one of the episode's key strengths is in showing how other DQ races thought about Voyager, albeit with some of their details wrong. We heard it mentioned occasionally in other eps, but nothing on this scale.

Well in the other episodes the Kazon were specifically making up rumors about them so that they could eventually steal the ship without worrying about Voyager having any allies.

In this case though we had one race fabricating the truth in order to make their own questionnable history look better. Voyager just happened to get in the middle of it all.

You do have to wonder how much the Kazon lies became unquestionable fact as history progressed. Some of what we saw in Living Witness might be absolute fact that the Kazon made up a hundred years prior.

 

[Tomalak]

You seen The Arena? kirk was able to put together a cannon from the raw resource of a planet while being hunted a by a Gorn, and you don't thin these people can build more torpedoes? They would have to suck so bad if they couldn't mass produce some sort of weapon which whooshes out of their torpedo tubes.

Yeah, maybe. But Kirk is boss.

 

[Meredith]

Open LCARS terminal

[Janeway@Voyager:/usr/sickbay/bin]$ cat EMH_Mark1_Hologram.tar >> EMH_Mark1_Hologram.tar.backup

Close LCARS terminal


There, you now have a spare EMH.