Litverse & Star Trek '09

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Christopher, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. MadeIndescribable

    MadeIndescribable Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    For the sake of continuity it would certainly make sense. Not entirely sure how/when it diverged though....
     
  2. JD

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    @trampledamage could we maybe just sticky a thread addressing this?
     
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  3. trampledamage

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    Okay - I've brought over the most recent posts from Control, and I've made this sticky.

    People like to discuss this, so I'm not going to just add to the announcements to say "Hobus: litverse can't touch it, litverse can't pretend it hasn't happened"

    What I will try to do is make sure all conversations on the topic stay in this thread. The occasional drift into covering it while talking about something else is fine - I'm not going to be zero tolerance, but if a conversation becomes solely about the clash between the recent movies and the books, then it'll be moved here.
     
  4. Markonian

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    I once suggested, have Romulus blow up via Hobus but say you're not referencing the movie - you're referencing the Countdown comic or STO: The Needs of the Many. However, Christopher explained that would still be using Bad Robot's (CBS) intellectual property without crediting them.,
     
  5. Christopher

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    That, plus it'd be bad faith and a real jerk move. We're not trying to cheat anyone out of their right to their ideas. After all, those ideas wouldn't exist without their creativity, so it'd be a really ungrateful thing to do.
     
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  6. JD

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    Could the book theoretically deal with the aftermath of Hobus as long as they don't refer to it by name and aren't specific about what it is? Maybe just talk about a disaster or event that effected Romulus.
     
  7. Dayton Ward

    Dayton Ward Word Pusher Rear Admiral

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    More accurately, the novels presently follow the dictum that, for all intents and purposes, the JJ films and their events don't exist. We follow the directions we're given, and for now that includes "No nuTrek."

    Might that change? Possibly. I'd even be willing to bet on "probably," but I have no idea when that might happen. Perhaps it's a point that will be addressed when it's time to renew Pocket's licensing agreement to continue publishing Trek books.

    This has all been asked before, and will be asked again. :cool:
     
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  8. MadeIndescribable

    MadeIndescribable Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I know you can only speak for yourself in this, but would it be fair to presume that there are writers who would still prefer not to contradict what we're told in '09, to fit with those established events regardless of the dictum, and/or in case it does get resolved in the future?
     
  9. Dayton Ward

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    Given a chance, I'd leap at the opportunity to make all of this fit, work out, whatever you want to call it. I've had a basic story idea for this in a file for years.

    But, I'm a hired gun. I shoot where they point me. :)
     
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  10. Christopher

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    Again: We can't contradict it. We just can't talk about it. It's not like our books are in a separate reality where it didn't happen; it's more like... like it's top secret and we can't report on it. So we have to avoid acknowledging it until or unless it's "declassified." (Granted, it's a "secret" that the movies and the comics and the games and the YA novels have been free to talk about, but no analogy is perfect.)
     
  11. MadeIndescribable

    MadeIndescribable Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I read @Dayton Ward's comment that the JJ films essentially don't exist, as meaning potentially (according to the lack of lisencing) Spock or Romulus could turn up in 2388, but presumed that no author would actually do that. Apologies for getting confused.
     
  12. woodstock

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    So what exactly is the chain of command here? Who makes the decisions and then directs who else to okay changes to the current deal so the writers can write, if any such changes may be made?
     
  13. Dayton Ward

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    Writer < Editor < Publisher < CBS

    If they tell me that so far as my reality is concerned, nuTrek never happened, then we would presumably be free to proceed as though they...wait for it...never happened, and go from there.

    Make of that what you will. :)
     
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  14. Greg Cox

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    Way above our pay grade. :)

    Seriously, we're just freelancers. We have nothing to do with the high-level contractual stuff.
     
  15. Christopher

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    Most of Star Trek is owned and copyrighted by CBS Studios, so they're the only ones who need to decide. But the new movies are a co-production of Paramount Pictures and Bad Robot, under license from CBS. CBS owns the overall property and pre-existing characters, but Bad Robot has the copyright on the elements specific to the movies. So presumably it would be both CBS's and Bad Robot's decision.
     
  16. woodstock

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    And Pocket Books is a division of Simon & Schuster which is owned by CBS Corporation which owns CBS Television Studios... wow. We should all just chip in and buy Bad Robot.
     
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  17. ryan123450

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    When does that happen next? Isn't it relatively soon?
     
  18. Nyotarules

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    Set all novels after 2386 in the Terran Empire mirror universe - problem solved.
     
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  19. JoeP

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    I would think that the likelihood of any NuTrek concepts showing up in the Litverse would depend on whether Star Trek 4, or any type of onscreen NuTrek continuation, happens. If, for whatever reason, the movie series doesn't continue, I could see shared events/characters make their way into the novels.
     
  20. Markonian

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    ^ STO originally was granted access to everything pertaining the prime universe, except the Narada, Kelvin and Jellyfish ships. These are still off-limits, but the others are now part of 25th century Starfleet lineup, and you travel into the Kelvin timeline for one mission.

    So here we've seen a change in access in one tie-in.
     
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