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"Prime Factors": I've watched that episode I don't know how many times and I can't believe it. The estimation given by Harry is RIGHT!!! 2.5 billion times the distance from the Earth to the sun IS around 40,000 light-years!!! Imagine that! A character in Voyager giving a figure that is actually right!!! Unbelievable! Is the world gone mad?

"State Of Flux"; If the guy has fragments of metal in each of his cells, I am surprised he managed to survive more than ten seconds.
 
"The Way of the Warrior" - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine



I think the biggest problem with it, was the first part was totally unnecessary.

I really liked the episode on the whole, but I found myself seriously questioning the number of heartfelt farewells and/or "we're going with you's" that took place in that first part. Heck, they even somehow found a way to get Sarek and Amanda out to the Discovery (minutes before a battle for all sentient life in the galaxy, btw) to have a dramatic farewell conversation.

I get that the whole theme of the episode was "saying goodbye"...but it was...admittedly....a lot.
 
"Prime Factors": I've watched that episode I don't know how many times and I can't believe it. The estimation given by Harry is RIGHT!!! 2.5 billion times the distance from the Earth to the sun IS around 40,000 light-years!!! Imagine that! A character in Voyager giving a figure that is actually right!!! Unbelievable! Is the world gone mad?

"State Of Flux"; If the guy has fragments of metal in each of his cells, I am surprised he managed to survive more than ten seconds.

Short Reply: At first c glance you are right about Kim being correct. At second glance you could be right and probably are right about Kim being correct, even though you made a big assumption.

Long Reply: Here follows a scientific discussion involving the habitable zones of different stars.

Yes, I just used my calculator to see that exactly 2,500,000,000 Astronomical Units equals exactly 39,531.2542 light years.

However:

KIM: I'll say. Why am I seeing two suns?
EUDANA: Because this is a binary system.
KIM: But your planet only has one sun.
EUDANA: But Alastria has two.
KIM: Eudana, where are we?
EUDANA: I told you. Alastria. A system far from Sikaris.
KIM: How far?
EUDANA: Do you have to ask all these questions?
KIM: Please, it's important.
EUDANA: Alastria is about two and a half billion times the distance between Sikaris and it's sun.
KIM: That's almost forty thousand light years.

So actually the distance between Alasria and Sikaris is about two and a half billion times the distance between Sikaris and its sun.

The more or less average distance between Earth and the Sun is one Astronomical Unit or AU.

In the episode, Harry Kim probably knows the approximate length of a Sikarian version of an Astronomical Unit and how close it might be to an Earthly Astronomical Unit. Voyager probably took measurements as they entered the Sikaris system. But what clues are there in the episode about the distance between Sikaris and it's star?

In real life, there is a habitable zone around each where a planet with an Earth like atmosphere, breathable for humans, would have temperatures suitable for Earth like life. So every planet, like Sikaris or Alastria, that is comforatable for humans must be within the rather narrow habitable zone of its star.

therefore, in real life many habitable planets where humans would feel as comfortable as they do on Sikaris or Alastria would be orbit their stars at distances similar to one Astronomical Unit. If their stars are very similar in luminosity to our Sun, any habitable planets they have would have to orbit within a habitable zone with similar limits to that of the Sun, after all.

But it is possible for a habitable planet to orbit a star a few times more massive than the Sun, and thus several times more luminous, and thus orbit its star at a distances of few Astronomical Units (AU).. There is an upper limit to the mass and luminosity of a star capable of having a habitable planet, so that the most massive and luminous stars can not have habitable planets.

On the other end of the scale, habitable planets could orbit very low mass and dim stars at only a small fraction of an AU. TRAPPIST -1 d is the known potentially habitable exoplanet with the smallest orbit, closest to its star while still within the habitable zone. TRAPPIST -1 d has an orbital period or year only 4.05 Earth days long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...exoplanets_in_the_conservative_habitable_zone

TRAPPIST -1 d orbits its star TRAPPIST -1 at a distance of about 3,330,000 kilometers or 0.02228038 AU, and is still within the habitable zone of its dim star. The next inner planet, TRAPPIST -1 c, orbits at a distance of about . 2,370,000 kilometers or 0.011581512 AU and is not in the habitable zone.

So the distance between Earth and the Sun is about 44.882699 the distance between the potentially habitable exoplanet TRAPPIST -1 d and it star TRAPPIST -1. Since it should be possible for a habitable planet of a brighter star to orbit at at distance of two or three AU, it seems reasonable to assume that the habitable planets that are the most distant from their stars are about a hundred times as far as the habitable planets that are closest to their stars.

But that is in real life.

In Star Trek habitable planets have been mentioned in the solar systems of many real stars. And most of those real stars mentioned as having habitable planets are ones of the wrong types to have habitable planets according to astronomical theories of the present (and also theories of the 1960s). Stars like Rigel and Deneb and Omicron Ceti are many times as luminous as the brightest stars considered likely to have habitable planets according to astronomical theories, and thus their habitable zones are much father out and any habitable planets they somehow have would be much farther from them.

In Star Trek , as in many old science fiction stories, and possibly some published to this day,, and in some science fiction shows, it seems to be assumed that any star would be suitable for having habitable planets, and thus habitable planets have been depicted orbiting stars as luminous as S Doradus itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_Doradus

Thus in Star Trek the range in distances between habitable planets and their stars should be m several times the hundred fold range in real life.

So in Star Trek assuming that a habitable planet has a distance from its star that is almost exactly one AU is not a good idea. A distance of 2,500,000,000 times the distance between a habitable planet and its star could be a lot less or a lot more than 40,000 light years in real life, and even more so in Star Trek!

In later scenes:

KIM: That platform. It's a transportation device. Extremely sophisticated. It operates on the principle of folding space.
JANEWAY: That's something that's been theorised, but no one's ever been able to develop the technology.
KIM: Well, these people have. I've just been to Alastria and back. Alastria is forty thousand light years away.
GATH: We call it a spatial trajector. We are able to travel to all the planets in this quadrant.
JANEWAY: How far can it take you?
GATH: Alastria is at the uttermost limits of it's range.

And:

KIM: I can't believe they're not going to help us. Some kind of hospitality.
TORRES: Forty thousand light years. Even if that's as far as we could go, it would still knock about four decades off our trip.
CHAKOTAY: And the possibility exists that we could reconfigure the matrix at that point to take us another thirty thousand light years, right into Federation space.
TUVOK: Since they've already said no, this kind of thinking is only going to make you feel worse.

Since nobody uses a different figure for the range of the spatial trajector than Kim's 40,000 light years, presumably everyone accepts that Kim's calculation is correct. And since Voyager should have been able to the measure the distances of Sikaris from its star as they approached the planet, we can assume that by chance Sikaris happens to obits its star at almost exactly one Astronomical Unit, which after all, is the only known distance between a planet known to be habitable and its star in real life.
 
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Short Reply: At first c glance you are right about Kim being correct. At second glance you could be right and probably are right about Kim being correct, even though you made a big assumption.

Long Reply: Here follows a scientific discussion involving the habitable zones of different stars.

Yes, I just used my calculator to see that exactly 2,500,000,000 Astronomical Units equals exactly 39,531.2542 light years.

However:



So actually the distance between Alasria and Sikaris is about two and a half billion times the distance between Sikaris and its sun.

The more or less average distance between Earth and the Sun is one Astronomical Unit or AU.

In the episode, Harry Kim probably knows the approximate length of a Sikarian version of an Astronomical Unit and how close it might be to an Earthly Astronomical Unit. Voyager probably took measurements as they entered the Sikaris system. But what clues are there in the episode about the distance between Sikaris and it's star?

In real life, there is a habitable zone around each where a planet with an Earth like atmosphere, breathable for humans, would have temperatures suitable for Earth like life. So every planet, like Sikaris or Alastria, that is comforatable for humans must be within the rather narrow habitable zone of its star.

therefore, in real life many habitable planets where humans would feel as comfortable as they do on Sikaris or Alastria would be orbit their stars at distances similar to one Astronomical Unit. If their stars are very similar in luminosity to our Sun, any habitable planets they have would have to orbit within a habitable zone with similar limits to that of the Sun, after all.

But it is possible for a habitable planet to orbit a star a few times more massive than the Sun, and thus several times more luminous, and thus orbit its star at a distances of few Astronomical Units (AU).. There is an upper limit to the mass and luminosity of a star capable of having a habitable planet, so that the most massive and luminous stars can not have habitable planets.

On the other end of the scale, habitable planets could orbit very low mass and dim stars at only a small fraction of an AU. TRAPPIST -1 d is the known potentially habitable exoplanet with the smallest orbit, closest to its star while still within the habitable zone. TRAPPIST -1 d has an orbital period or year only 4.05 Earth days long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...exoplanets_in_the_conservative_habitable_zone

TRAPPIST -1 d orbits its star TRAPPIST -1 at a distance of about 3,330,000 kilometers or 0.02228038 AU, and is still within the habitable zone of its dim star. The next inner planet, TRAPPIST -1 c, orbits at a distance of about . 2,370,000 kilometers or 0.011581512 AU and is not in the habitable zone.

So the distance between Earth and the Sun is about 44.882699 the distance between the potentially habitable exoplanet TRAPPIST -1 d and it star TRAPPIST -1. Since it should be possible for a habitable planet of a brighter star to orbit at at distance of two or three AU, it seems reasonable to assume that the habitable planets that are the most distant from their stars are about a hundred times as far as the habitable planets that are closest to their stars.

But that is in real life.

In Star Trek habitable planets have been mentioned in the solar systems of many real stars. And most of those real stars mentioned as having habitable planets are ones of the wrong types to have habitable planets according to astronomical theories of the present (and also theories of the 1960s). Stars like Rigel and Deneb and Omicron Ceti are many times as luminous as the brightest stars considered likely to have habitable planets according to astronomical theories, and thus their habitable zones are much father out and any habitable planets they somehow have would be much farther from them.

In Star Trek , as in many old science fiction stories, and possibly some published to this day,, and in some science fiction shows, it seems to be assumed that any star would be suitable for having habitable planets, and thus habitable planets have been depicted orbiting stars as luminous as S Doradus itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_Doradus

Thus in Star Trek the range in distances between habitable planets and their stars should be m several times the hundred fold range in real life.

So in Star Trek assuming that a habitable planet has a distance from its star that is almost exactly one AU is not a good idea. A distance of 2,500,000,000 times the distance between a habitable planet and its star could be a lot less or a lot more than 40,000 light years in real life, and even more so in Star Trek!

In later scenes:



And:



Since nobody uses a different figure for the range of the spatial trajector than Kim's 40,000 light years, presumably everyone accepts that Kim's calculation is correct. And since Voyager should have been able to the measure the distances of Sikaris from its star as they approached the planet, we can assume that by chance Sikaris happens to obits its star at almost exactly one Astronomical Unit, which after all, is the only known distance between a planet known to be habitable and its star in real life.

There are many problems arising with a star of a different type from the Sun and a planet of different size and mass from the Earth.

1) Tidal effects: the planet could be forced to always present the same face to the star which would make one side of the planet too hot and the other too cold.

2) too much infrared and not enough visible light and not enough UV (we need them to produce Vitamin D) Which ultimately would make the planet uninhabitable (for us maybe not for extraterrestrial life). In general, a different dosage of these different types of light would cause serious health problems.

3) Too much gravity (people would feel like they have a big sack of bricks on their shoulders).

4) Too little gravity. The atmosphere would be too thin to be breathable.

The planet in the episode seems very much like ours so I assume that its sun is very much like ours, hence its distance to its sun must be pretty much like ours. QED;)
 
The Homecoming / The Circle / The Siege (DS9)

Fantastic start to Season 2.
The show really 'grew the beard' with that little arc.

Made me forget all about If Wishes Were Horses and Move Along Home :barf:
 
Coda - This episode was screwy, but it did provide some great Janeway Moments, namely "Go Back To Hell, Coward"

Blood Fever - The Birth of my favorite relationship in Star Trek, Tom and B'elanna. Also, I realized in this rewatch they were spotlighting Vorik quite a bit in the episodes prior to this so to get the payoff here was great. I think this was the first episode where I really found out what exactly Ponn Far was. The reveal of the Borg at the end is still ominous.
 
"Jetrel": Voyager's response to DS9's "Duet". There are a few commonalities between these two episodes, "Jetrel" doesn't quite achieve the same level of poignancy though. Maybe it's trying too hard. Nice episode though one of the three best of the season, IMO.
 
DSC: Such Sweet Sorrow, followed immediately by ShT: Runaway.

1. Why, if Runaway "aired" (and I use the term sarcastically) months before Sorrow, and was referenced in Sorrow's prologue, was it placed after Sorrow on the DVD set?
2. Sorrow seemed a bit . . . stretched. Drawn out.
 
"The 37s": It stretches believability a bit that out of 140 people none of them would have wanted to stay in this peaceful paradise but whatever... I guess they couldn't afford the matte paintings for the magnificent cities we were told about.

"Initiations": Is it my imagination of has Nog been working out for this episode?

"Projections": I like it!

"Elogium": Why is it that when they are about to reproduce the Occampa ladies look this repulsive? Talk about mood killers!! No comment on the "one baby per couple" thing. This is beyond stupid!

"Non-Sequitur": When Harry met Sally... Harry ran screaming toward Tom!! :whistle:

"Twisted": I'll just quote Tuvok on that: "I don't believe there is any intelligence at work here.". You and me both, my friend!
 
DS9-Defiant. Another Sisko and Dukat work-together-to-keep-the-peace show. A nice setup to Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast.
 
There are many problems arising with a star of a different type from the Sun and a planet of different size and mass from the Earth.

1) Tidal effects: the planet could be forced to always present the same face to the star which would make one side of the planet too hot and the other too cold.

2) too much infrared and not enough visible light and not enough UV (we need them to produce Vitamin D) Which ultimately would make the planet uninhabitable (for us maybe not for extraterrestrial life). In general, a different dosage of these different types of light would cause serious health problems.

3) Too much gravity (people would feel like they have a big sack of bricks on their shoulders).

4) Too little gravity. The atmosphere would be too thin to be breathable.

The planet in the episode seems very much like ours so I assume that its sun is very much like ours, hence its distance to its sun must be pretty much like ours. ;)QED

I never suggested that the planet would have any specific size or mass. A habitable planet that humans are comfortable on would have to be quite similar physically to Earth. So I don't know why you mention the size and mass of the planet.

1) Tidal effects. You claim that if a planet orbited in the habitable zone of a very dim star it would be tidally locked to the star and thus would certainly be too hot on one side and too cold on the other. But it is not certain whether a tidally locked planet would be too hot on one side and too cold on the other.

Others maintain that circumstellar habitable zones are more common, and that it is indeed possible for water to exist on planets orbiting cooler stars. Climate modelling from 2013 supports the idea that red dwarf stars can support planets with relatively constant temperatures over their surfaces in spite of tidal locking.[79]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circu...pectral_types_and_star-system_characteristics

2) You claim that a dimmer star would have more infrared and less visible and ultraviolet radiation. Of course it is also possible for a habitable planet to orbit a spectral class F star and have more ultraviolet and less visible and infrared radiation from the star.

But are you an expert on the amounts of various bands of radiation emitted by various spectral classes of stars and also on the biological needs for various types of radiation? Are you certain that the difference in the radiation would be sufficient to cause a problem for life?

And your points three and four are moot because nobody suggested anything about the surface gravity on the planet Sikaris, which can be presumed to be sufficiently close to that of Earth that the Earth humans feel comfortable on it. There is absolutely no reason to assume that a different sized star would have different sized planets.

My post number 14499 ends with:

Since nobody uses a different figure for the range of the spatial trajector than Kim's 40,000 light years, presumably everyone accepts that Kim's calculation is correct. And since Voyager should have been able to the measure the distances of Sikaris from its star as they approached the planet, we can assume that by chance Sikaris happens to obits its star at almost exactly one Astronomical Unit, which after all, is the only known distance between a planet known to be habitable and its star in real life.
 
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