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List of Trek Lit Alternate Universes

I fail to see how you refuse to accept impossible supernovae (and I admit it was bad writing and zero research by the STXI writers) and yet happily accept other elements of Star Trek that are clearly fantasy, like warp speeds, bumpy headed human aliens and transporters. If you can make the leap to accept them, why not the rest? At what point do you draw the line and say "No, that's impossible and doesn't count"?

There's solid physical theory that can be used to justify warp drive and (to a lesser extent) transporters. And there's enough rationalization for humanoid aliens in Trek that I'm able to live with it. All fiction requires a degree of willing suspension of disbelief. But that doesn't mean I'll just lie back and accept any absurdity when I'm able to think of a better way of justifying it. It's called willing suspension of disbelief, not compulsory. And the more I can find plausible justifications for things in ST, the easier it becomes to suspend disbelief.

And so many visual effects in ST are clearly impossible that it's a given they can't be taken literally. Not to mention other visuals that can't be taken literally, such as the same individual (Saavik, Cochrane, Ziyal, etc.) having two or more different faces, or the same starship design being used by species in different quadrants of the galaxy that couldn't possibly have contact with each other. Therefore I see no reason to feel obligated to embrace a slavishly literal interpretation of any information that's strictly visual.

And no, it wasn't "zero research by the STXI writers." The screenwriters know their science quite well and I'm certain that their original draft of the script depicted the disaster in a far more credible and well-researched way. But Abrams is less concerned with scientific accuracy than Orci and Kurtzman are, and it's the prerogative of the director to change or simplify things in whatever way he feels is appropriate for the story. Research is a tool in the process, but whether or how much it gets used is a decision that must be weighed against other artistic factors. So don't assume that the research wasn't done at all just because it didn't end up onscreen.
 
It would be interesting to read what the original details of the supernova scene were, if any more info existed in an earlier draft of STXI - but I have a feeling if such info did exist it would have been incorporated into Countdown, which spent much of it's time explaining away several of XI's eccentricities.

As I said earlier, you take the supernova however you want. I'll take it the way I want :)
 
It would be interesting to read what the original details of the supernova scene were, if any more info existed in an earlier draft of STXI - but I have a feeling if such info did exist it would have been incorporated into Countdown, which spent much of it's time explaining away several of XI's eccentricities.

I can safely say that is not the case.
 
Do you know something the rest of us don't? Or are you just assuming they "wouldn't be so stupid"? AFAIK Countdown has the Orci/Kurtzman stamp of approval, and they were involved in the comic to some degree.
 
Do you know something the rest of us don't?

I can't say anything more.

AFAIK Countdown has the Orci/Kurtzman stamp of approval, and they were involved in the comic to some degree.

But the comic was written many months after the film completed production (remember, the film's release was postponed by half a year to fill the gap that the writers' strike created in Paramount's 2009 schedule). So it was written to be consistent with the final version of the film, not with any earlier draft.
 
i just wish they'd come up with something better to destroy Romulus with and to send Nero back in time than all that crap about novas and black holes.

fuck, the crazy-ass rumour of Nero trying to pull a Terminator on Kirk would've been better!
 
Well, I loved the film, even with it's dodgy science! :angryrazz:

We're way off topic here. Sorry.

I still think there are loads of old comics with alternate and pocket universes we haven't listed yet.

...like the ancient book-and-records! TOS crew in TMP grey suits on the worst-drawn Enterprise ever. And green wizard Romulans! :rommie:
 
Well, I loved the film, even with it's dodgy science! :angryrazz:

We're way off topic here. Sorry.

I still think there are loads of old comics with alternate and pocket universes we haven't listed yet.

...like the ancient book-and-records! TOS crew in TMP grey suits on the worst-drawn Enterprise ever. And green wizard Romulans! :rommie:
What is that last line referring to?
 
what about the comic with white blonde Uhura?

Don't forget Black Afro Sulu!

"What choo talkin' about, Mistah Spahhk?"

Someone explain to me how a paralell world can diverge from Prime in a way that makes Sulu black and Uhura white :wtf:

Oh, and don't forget face-painted human (?) M'ress!
 
Ok, I just looked through those things on the DVD and all I can say is...WTF? I can understand maybe getting a few things wrong if you don't have a visual reference, but I would have thought that somebody would have at least been able to figure out that they screwed up two of the characters races.
 
Actually, if you look closely, you can tell that Uhura and Sulu in Passage to Mouav were originally drawn to resemble Nichols and Takei, but their complexion and hair were changed. So the decision to avoid using their likenesses must've come late in the process, after the pencils but before the coloring.

As for M'Ress, perhaps their artist hadn't seen TAS and didn't know what M'Ress was supposed to look like?
 
I can understand maybe getting a few things wrong if you don't have a visual reference, but I would have thought that somebody would have at least been able to figure out that they screwed up two of the characters races.

The blond Uhura, Asian Sulu, humanoid M'Ress and redrawn Edoan Mr Connors are seemingly deliberate changes as a result of a last minute red tape problem with Filmation's TAS.

I'm pretty sure the affected stories were the ones written by Alan Dean Foster - fresh from doing the "Star Trek Logs" TAS adaptions for Ballantine, and he happily added Arex and M'Ress to his audio scripts. In a recent interview, ADF mentions that he had no idea that comics would be accompanying his audio scripts.

For whatever reason, for this batch of stories, Uhura wasn't allowed to look like Filmation's rendition of Uhura and she was recoloured. Sulu got some frizzy hair and swarthier skin tones. The already recorded script of the record already featured a M'Ress with felinoid qualities because she was the only one able to calm the alien kitty, but the comic ended up using a rendition that more resembled Yvonne Craig's Marta the Orion.

If you look at speech bubbles referring to blond Mr Connors, you can see how the name "Connors" is squeezed, via paste-up, into a space originally accommodating "Arex". In a few panels, you can even visualise where the redrawn Edoan's extra arm and leg would go. As soon as they mentioned the Edoan musical instrument, I went back searching for signs that Arex had originally been planned as a participant of the script.

It's not the only time red-tape has caused problems with TAS tie-ins.
 
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