List of Trek Lit Alternate Universes

[Julio Angel Ortiz]

^I've become partial to "New Universe," but it hasn't caught on enough for me to expect people to understand the reference if I use it in a thread.

I will always think of New Universe as this (and the infinitely superior this).

I've come to like "Prime Trek" and "nuTrek" as the designations, though.

 

[Christopher]

^Well, I hate "nuTrek," because it sounds like a brand name, because I find intentional misspellings obnoxious, and because I've often seen the "nu-" prefix used in a derogatory sense.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I read somewhere that New Frontier has diverged from Destiny, thus rendering it alternate.

Do little pocket-universe "undo at the end" ones count? If so, an early DS9 book (whose name eludes me) had aliens storm the station and kill the principle characters one by one, before somehow going back and undoing it.

The kiddie mini books with Worf's brother Simon.

The future in Imzadi.

 

[JD]

Where did you hear about NF and Destiny?
Yeah, I'm counting alt-unis that were undone at the end of the story. When this thread seems begin dying down, I actually do plan on counting and seeing how many universes we've come up with. I'm thinking I might have to just count some of the multiples as one as one.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It was a trekmovie.com article, some passing comment that although in the same timeframe, Destiny wasn't going to be part of the NF continuity. I think they were talking about Treason. The early cover had the wrong (TOS movie era) badge in the sand.

 

[JD]

I don't remember hearing that there at all. I'm honestly not sure if I think PAD will acknowledge Destiny in later books or not. I've always thought that the series did take place in the main novel, but PAD just never made any outside references himself. After all NF did take part in the Gateways crossover, and there have been references to the events from NF in other books (like the Selevian War). As for Destiny, I'm thinking he might not actually reference it himself, but there won't be anything to prove it didn't happen.

 

[captcalhoun]

that's not an alt universe, that's an art work error.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Out of the huge list here (and any others people can think of) what's everyone's favourite alternate universe?

I'm picking the dark future of Crossroad (I love the idea that the Federation might not be nice forever) and Killing Time (albeit without the K/S gayness. I liked the snippits of alternate future history that were told or hinted at)

 

[captcalhoun]

A Less Perfect Union-verse
Seeds of Dissent-verse
Mirror Universe Saga-verse
Memory Omega-verse

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Novels and comics don't have to adhere to each other *yet*. I can't see the cancellation of the nuTrek novels, and the lack of nuTrek comics as being a coincidence.

except the guys involved in Trek XI are on record of saying they didn't have anything to do with the novels being pulled.

I like this explanation . It means Romulus never need to go byebye in the regular novel continuity...

Doesn't work that way. Even aside from the fact that the novels are obliged to remain consistent with what's onscreen, there's also the in-universe physics of it. If the star was heading for an explosion in one timeline, it'd be heading for it in the other timeline as well.

Only if the explosion was natural.

Spoiler: The Needs of the Many

I'm only partway through, so this may be debunked later, but it seems that in the STO timeline the Hobus explosion was caused by Sela and some ill-conceived weapons testing.

Spoiler: Actually

It was Praetor (then Admiral) Taris who did in for her "long dead masters"

 

[Christopher]

Novels and comics don't have to adhere to each other *yet*. I can't see the cancellation of the nuTrek novels, and the lack of nuTrek comics as being a coincidence.

except the guys involved in Trek XI are on record of saying they didn't have anything to do with the novels being pulled.

The screenwriters said that, but they weren't the only ones involved in the film by a long shot. It does appear to be the case now that the studio's overall strategy is to limit the tie-in fiction to doing prequels only and leave the forward advancement of the story to the filmmakers.

(But "lack of nuTrek comics" is hardly accurate, since we've had Nero and the current film adaptation, as well as Countdown and Spock: Reflections serving as Prime-universe prequels of sorts to the film.)

 

[F. King Daniel]

But I was expecting a proper post-STXI comic ongoing series.

And talking of prequels, that Starship Kelvin novel series had better get itself announced and written soon!

 

[Christopher]

But I was expecting a proper post-STXI comic ongoing series.

Maybe after the second film comes out, we'll get comics set between the first two films (and hopefully our Abramsverse novels will finally be published too).

 

[F. King Daniel]

The alternate timelime from the (fantastic) DC comic "The Gift", where Q "un-kills" Picard's brother (who fell down a well when they were kids), who goes on to become the next Hitler and takes over the Federation.

 

[Therin of Andor]

But "lack of nuTrek comics" is hardly accurate, since we've had Nero and the current film adaptation, as well as Countdown and Spock: Reflections serving as Prime-universe prequels of sorts to the film.

And Wired's "When Worlds Collide":
http://www.wired.com/special_multimedia/2009/whenWorldsCollide

 

[Julio Angel Ortiz]

^Well, I hate "nuTrek," because it sounds like a brand name, because I find intentional misspellings obnoxious, and because I've often seen the "nu-" prefix used in a derogatory sense.

Re: nu- prefix. I'm curious, how so?

And I'm waiting for the next big TrekLit crossover, "Crisis on Infinite Treks" (followed by "Infinite Trek" and "Final Trek"... and then the 52...)

 

[Christopher]

^Well, I hate "nuTrek," because it sounds like a brand name, because I find intentional misspellings obnoxious, and because I've often seen the "nu-" prefix used in a derogatory sense.

Re: nu- prefix. I'm curious, how so?

I gather it started with "NuGalactica" as a derogatory term among Battlestar Galactica purists for the Ron Moore reimagining. The attitude being "We refuse to call this Galactica because it isn't really, so we'll only refer to it with a qualifier to distance it from the original." Akin to GINO, "Galactica In Name Only."

 

[captcalhoun]

what about nu-Who?

 

[DevilEyes]

^Well, I hate "nuTrek," because it sounds like a brand name, because I find intentional misspellings obnoxious, and because I've often seen the "nu-" prefix used in a derogatory sense.

Re: nu- prefix. I'm curious, how so?

I gather it started with "NuGalactica" as a derogatory term among Battlestar Galactica purists for the Ron Moore reimagining. The attitude being "We refuse to call this Galactica because it isn't really, so we'll only refer to it with a qualifier to distance it from the original." Akin to GINO, "Galactica In Name Only."

Maybe that's the first time it was used to refer to a TV show, but I think it started with names for music genres such as "nu metal", "nu Goth", "nu punk"... I don't know if those were meant to be derogatory or not, but there's certainly often used that way, and I hate it when the prefix is used for Ron Moore's BSG or Star Trek or Dr Who because it makes me think of Linkin Park, HIM or My Chemical Romance.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It wouldn't be the first time a word started life with unpleasent connotations only to become acceptable, normal and decent.

Thanks to the internet, texting and all the weird shorthand cropping up as a result, the future of the English written language is going to be a little chaotic.