Isn't this what the (mostly unseen) Temporal war in ENT was about? We saw various versions of Daniels die but he continued to crop up. That's cloning.
And Janeway did the grief thing in "Endgame"
Limits of Time Travel
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And Janeway did the grief thing in "Endgame"
Yes. My point is why isn't EVERYONE doing it ALL THE TIME.
Berlinghoff Rasmussen's time-pod, the Orb of Time, the Nexus, Future Harry Kim's Borg temporal transmitter, Future Janeway's Chrono Deflector, whatever the Borg used (could be the same as one of the previous). Almost certainly there are more.
Will you accept “Story convenience” as an explanation, or do you want an in universe reason?
Probably all of the governments that can do time travel are aware of how sensitive time is and how easily you could destroy the future. Just like (Makes sure Picard has been out six months) the Romulans have a secret organization that shut down android development they probably also keep tabs on time travel. And Klingons seem to have some sort of offshoot group.
So that’s my answer. It’s a deep state conspiracy that all deep states of all major governments separately arrived at to shut down all time travel research to prevent exactly what happened in the temporal Cold War. And why once Pandora’s box was forever open, they established a division of Starfleet just to protect history from time travelers.
Probably all of the governments that can do time travel are aware of how sensitive time is and how easily you could destroy the future. Just like (Makes sure Picard has been out six months) the Romulans have a secret organization that shut down android development they probably also keep tabs on time travel. And Klingons seem to have some sort of offshoot group.
So that’s my answer. It’s a deep state conspiracy that all deep states of all major governments separately arrived at to shut down all time travel research to prevent exactly what happened in the temporal Cold War. And why once Pandora’s box was forever open, they established a division of Starfleet just to protect history from time travelers.
As I recall, in ADF's adaptation of "Yesteryear," he painted a rather rosy picture to the general effect that the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, and possibly other major powers cooperated in guarding the Guardian against misuse.
Eh, the universe gets a little more mass for about ten years. It'll fix itself when an equivalent amount disappears. Happens to me all the time.
How do you know they're not? I could swear I was married to Zooey Dechanel, but in the restraining order she swears it never happened.
We don’t really see any of these anywhere in the Star Trek canon, apart from the currents of time thing that’s theorized about the guardian of forever.
For me the only real risk is that changing the timeline is really dangerously easy and it’s not so easy to correct the damage once it’s done.
For me the only real risk is that changing the timeline is really dangerously easy and it’s not so easy to correct the damage once it’s done.
Maybe those civilizations that have mastered time travel soon discovered that it creates more problems than it solves. One little foray into time (specifically the past) could potentially cause multiple butterfly effects that could wipe out any benefits it could have.
No wonder why Temporal Investigations had a big file on Kirk...
No wonder why Temporal Investigations had a big file on Kirk...
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It's strange to me that Miles is a Temporal Clone...
Well that's very nice, but I can't take credit for The Law of Conservation of Mass.
Also (and I'm obviously not a physicist) you also have the problem of Entropy. As one professor explained to us: "how many times have you made breakfast? And how many times did the eggs spontaneously jump back into their shell? The bacon rejoin the pig?" Time simply does not flow backwards. We don't grow younger, etc. because of Entropy.
I don't think Entropy allows for time travel to the past. Time Machines Would Break Second Law of Thermodynamics.
George Washington is dead and buried and probably decomposed to a great extent. What machine are you going to build so that isn't the case? Where would that machine go where he's alive? What would the machine do to get there? How would you "steer" a machine like that? Sci-Fi always shows a dial or a lever or an LED display where you "choose your destination (i.e. "date"). But they never explain how you point or steer your machine. Because the idea is really pretty silly, if you think about it.
Fun for science fiction, but I'm going to stick to the idea that time travel to the past is impossible. JMHO
Now you tell me! What am I gonna do with all these pigs?
Look, try to convince King to rewrite the story so he buys pork chops instead. Maybe then some of these pigs will start disappearing out of my yard.
But cows might show up instead.
ARRRGH
If time travel exists I don’t think it violates conservation of mass or increasing entropy. It just means they apply over more dimensions than 3.
What I don’t buy is either of the explanations that either you can change the past, or that you can go back but will just end up causing the events you planned to stop.
The first case seems the most impossible. Cause if you stopped yourself from being born you also stopped yourself from stopping yourself from being born.
The second case seems explainable but you have to say something like “If you changed the past the universe would be unstable and could not exist, so the fact the universe exists proves that it is stable and whatever you chose to do didn’t change anything”.
The third option is close to what they did in Agents of SHIELD invoking quantum uncertainty to allow different timelines to exist, and it seems the most likely if time travel were possible.
What I don’t buy is either of the explanations that either you can change the past, or that you can go back but will just end up causing the events you planned to stop.
The first case seems the most impossible. Cause if you stopped yourself from being born you also stopped yourself from stopping yourself from being born.
The second case seems explainable but you have to say something like “If you changed the past the universe would be unstable and could not exist, so the fact the universe exists proves that it is stable and whatever you chose to do didn’t change anything”.
The third option is close to what they did in Agents of SHIELD invoking quantum uncertainty to allow different timelines to exist, and it seems the most likely if time travel were possible.
Mooooooooooooo.
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