Let's See Your Originality For Trek XII

[All Seeing Eye]

OK if i'm honest i'm sick of reading how shit Star Trek bad guys are and how boring or 2 dimensional they are and that their motivation for doing evil doesn't make sense etc etc etc

So go on, I wanna see you "create/design" the bad "guy/gal/thing" for Star Trek XII.

I want name(s), Species, reason for being the bad guy, motivation for being the bad guy, what their evil plan is, what tools they'll use and what ship if any they'll use to pull it off. In fact I want that info just for starters, give as much detail as you can as to the plot as well and how you'd defeat this "bad guy" and keep in mind their defeat needs to be original too because i've been reading people complaining about how Nero went out.

If you wanna keep it simple but straight to the point then give your ideas in bullet points.

Let's see just how original Trek fans can be, if you can't come up with anything original I think we should conclude that the film writers and directors can be cut a bit of slack in future

I don't want answers like I wanna see Khan again or I wanna see Klingons etc etc etc like we've been getting in the other threads. I want detailed and original work.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Oh no you don't Orci, you're not fooling me. I know that's you. You and Kurtzman have to write the movie yourselves.

Seriously, that's an intriguing challenge. Even if we liked Nero as a villain and liked the story, this should be of interest.

Personally, I'd like to see the following attributes in the villain:

1) Someone who is rational, charismatic, and deceptive.
2) Someone more experienced than the young Captain Kirk; i.e., age and treachery vs. youth and skill
3) Someone who fights in a way they are completely unprepared for; i.e., not a starship to starship slugfest, at least not of the type we have seen before.

More as I think of it.

 

[clint g]

Indeed, this is an interesting game

It was said in film that the federation is a humanitarian and peace keeping armada. I would imagine that in the eyes of many people, the federation has failed in this regard, as can be seen by the destruction of one of the founding worlds, Vulcan.

I think this could be used in a future film and can be the basis of new enemies. Perhaps a rogue faction in the federation, who saw this destruction and now wants a more militant starfleet. Perhaps they want to lead a strike into Romulan space as an attempt to crush the peoplem who killed 6 billion federation citizens. Maybe thet sieze control of the federation through militant means or maybe even through political means.

 

[Aragorn]

I think the door has opened to a potential new threat with the Federation losing Vulcan (and all those Vulcans), and on the other end the Klingon Empire had who knows how big a portion of their armada destroyed.

Star Trek: Rise of the Talaxians!!!!

 

[FemurBone]

How about the Enterprise encounters a giant space ameba set to devour an inhabited planet. Kirk and crew have to either find away to lure the ameba away from the planet, or destroy said ameba.

Or how about adapt some TNG episodes.

The Enterprise is trapped in a spacial anomoly with an alien ship. The two ships have to figure out how to get out.

 

[T'Baio]

After the destruction of Vulcan, I think now would be the perfect time for a well written Sybok. With the loss of Vulcan, all that is left for him is Sha Ka Ree...or whatever you'd want to call it. Kirk must face a man more passionate, Spock a man more brilliant, and McCoy a man with more...wit. Sybok hijacks the Enterprise and goes in search of God, and half way through the journey, the crew realizes maybe he's not that nuts after all and begrudgingly go along for the ride...and the adventure.

Remove the give me your pain stuff, and his band of disciples (though he'll need some sort of followers to take over the Enterprise) and the fake God who needs a starship at the end.

Make them actually find some sort omnipotent being at the end, one who may have just introduced life into the universe...but don't say one way or another, leave it ambiguous.

Now that would be a Star Trek I'd see.

 

[TheGodBen]

A giant probe comes to Earth and scans all the rain-forests in search of a sloth to talk to, but sadly they are extinct. Kirk and co must travel into the past to try and rescue one... with sexy results!

Seriously, if Damon Lindelof is going to be co-writing this next movie then I have hope that the villain will be of a much higher calibre considering the great work they did with Ben on Lost. Someone like that would great; cold, calculating, but ultimately human.

 

[Aragorn]

I wonder if they'd be willing to turn any of the current characters bad.

 

[Peter the Younger]

I wonder if they'd be willing to turn any of the current characters bad.

I doubt it, but I would like to see some of them tempted.

I'd also like to see a female villain, but considering Kirk's tendencies in that area, the whole thing could easily descend into cliche and cries of sexism. It would be tricky.

 

[perigee]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'd Love to see what it was Kirk did that pissed off the Klingons so damned much. They hated that guy with a passion, but in the series he never really did that much against them.

However.

If we want to keep to NuCanon, consider this.

The Klingons and The Feds have had a good bite chomped out of their armada, including what must have been most of the Feds new Constitution-class heavy cruisers. Traditionally, the Romulans (the real ones, not the skinhead tattoo artists) were always looking for situations that would turn invasion - of anyone - to their advantage.

So - a three-way slugfest for the fight fans, a dimplomatic problem in uniting with the Klingons to create a united front - there's a nice character there: the Klingon Kirk equivalent to play off - wow, female klingon badass, empowering women - and picard's great-great grandad is selling cheap wine in a kiosk at McKinley Station, just to get the "We Want TNG people" off our neck.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Star XII Movie Villain

Antagonist: Borg Queen from the 25th Century
Race/Species: The Borg Collective
Motivation: Revenge; Assimilation of the human race
Plot: Just when you thought the Borg Queen had been defeated by Captain Picard (and then by Janeway), another Borg Queen, this time from the 25th Century, is back with a vengeance. In the past, Captain Picard and the Enterprise-E crew were able to stop the Borg when they traveled back in time to assimilate mankind in the 21st century and prevent Zephraim Cochrane from making the first human warp flight and First Contact. Also, a futuristic Admiral Janeway from another timeline traveled back in time to help the crew of Voyager get home from the Delta Quadrant and defeat the Borg.

Well, this time 25th-century Borg from the Prime Universe have had it. It appears those two meddlesome Starfleet humans are always getting in the way. So they begin another all-out invasion of the Federation in the late 24th Century, using some kind of "Red Matter" technology to destroy the Earth's sun (Sol), but not before Admiral Janeway and now Ambassador Picard team up in an attempt to stop the evil drones! Picard and Janeway board a prototype runabout called Nautilus, and during a battle that ensues, the two esteemed officials are sucked by a temporal vortex created by the exploding sun, also dragging the 25th-century Borg Cube along with them. When the Borg and the Nautilus emerge on the other side of the event horizon, they're still in Federation space ... and that's when cadet-turned-captain James T. Kirk and the valiant crew of the USS Enterprise encounter them in the mid-23rd Century.

 

[EnsignRicky]

I'd like to see something along the lines of the Pakleds, though not necessarily them. Some sort of nomadic alien race, fairly aggressive, though not too bright. They travel through space in a stolen ship that belonged to advanced visitors to their primitive planet many generations ago. Mostly they spend their time preying on other vessels, stealing food, supplies and technology to trick out their vessel. One way to describe them I guess would be space pirates. Eventually the Enterprise is brought in to investigate and a zip here and a zap there, and Kirk deposits them on some unpopulated planet to think about what they've done and begin the process anew of honestly earning their place in the universe.

 

[Lord Lunacy]

I wonder if they'd be willing to turn any of the current characters bad.

I doubt it, but I would like to see some of them tempted.

I'd also like to see a female villain, but considering Kirk's tendencies in that area, the whole thing could easily descend into cliche and cries of sexism. It would be tricky.

Whaaat?? We can't rediscover Kirk's intergalactic pimpness? For shame...

To OP...how about one word...BORG! We can have them ride in on 6 giant triangles'o death that combine to form Super Cube! tm. Super Cube goes and assimilates Saturn turning it into UNICRON! Oh crap..can't use UNICRON! err...damn, my idea went to the toilet. I weep for all the potential to sell Green Slusho drinks in giant square Super Cube cups...

My villain would have been so cool...

 

[Awesome Possum]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'd Love to see what it was Kirk did that pissed off the Klingons so damned much. They hated that guy with a passion, but in the series he never really did that much against them.

However.

If we want to keep to NuCanon, consider this.

The Klingons and The Feds have had a good bite chomped out of their armada, including what must have been most of the Feds new Constitution-class heavy cruisers. Traditionally, the Romulans (the real ones, not the skinhead tattoo artists) were always looking for situations that would turn invasion - of anyone - to their advantage.

So - a three-way slugfest for the fight fans, a dimplomatic problem in uniting with the Klingons to create a united front - there's a nice character there: the Klingon Kirk equivalent to play off - wow, female klingon badass, empowering women - and picard's great-great grandad is selling cheap wine in a kiosk at McKinley Station, just to get the "We Want TNG people" off our neck.

That could work. The Klingons aren't going to be too happy about one Romulan wiping out 47 ships and the Federation has lost a good portion of their fleet and a whole planet. Could be the start of a major war.

 

[Ovation]

Won't happen but I would like to see a first contact mission (looking for allies in the wake of Vulcan's destruction) where Kirk (apparently) initially messes up, with tragic results (maybe Adm. Pike is on the mission and is killed). This results in increased tension between the new (note the word "new") species and the Federation. Being far from home, Kirk is on his own to try and mend fences.

The new species is being courted by another less than friendly (to the Federation) species (Tholians would be great, but I suppose it could be the Romulans or the Klingons if it has to) and they are responsible for the mishap that puts Kirk in a bad position. Kirk and crew expose the plot and, in doing so, usher in a new alliance with the new species.

There is room for action scenes, some exploration, NEW species, one of those "moral lessons" (though I'd hope it would be subtle and not a lecture about the lesson as was all too frequent in past Trek) and some growth for the characters (Kirk would maybe learn to be a little less cocky--the mishap will not be entirely without fault for him, despite the setup behind the scenes; Spock could be the bridge between the new species and the mostly human crew--he understands what it is to be an outsider among humans; Pike's death would provide a consequence of a mistake--a meaningful one as he's now an established character; Uhura's linguistic skills would be on more prominent display (maybe she's a budding "first contact negotiator"); McCoy could confront the problem of not being able to save Pike (not equipped to deal with the manner in which Pike is injured/poisoned/whatever); Chekov and Sulu have some "piloting moments" and some other development (I'm doing this on the spot, forgive me for not having anything better for them); Scotty would confront a major tech problem/get to examine unfamiliar tech; have I left anyone out?) I would make most of the main characters of the new species female (but not make a big deal about it--just be a matter of fact element of their society).

Having a "sinister" third party as the "villain" sets up future story potential while not overexposing familiar species. It also breaks the (entirely unnecessary) cycle of "the big villain connected personally to the heroes" and, with the need to eventually cooperate with the new species, brings a sense of the optimism JJ says he wants to explore.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Desert Kris]

After the destruction of Vulcan, I think now would be the perfect time for a well written Sybok. With the loss of Vulcan, all that is left for him is Sha Ka Ree...or whatever you'd want to call it. Kirk must face a man more passionate, Spock a man more brilliant, and McCoy a man with more...wit. Sybok hijacks the Enterprise and goes in search of God, and half way through the journey, the crew realizes maybe he's not that nuts after all and begrudgingly go along for the ride...and the adventure.

Remove the give me your pain stuff, and his band of disciples (though he'll need some sort of followers to take over the Enterprise) and the fake God who needs a starship at the end.

Make them actually find some sort omnipotent being at the end, one who may have just introduced life into the universe...but don't say one way or another, leave it ambiguous.

Now that would be a Star Trek I'd see.

I actually was pondering Sybok's role in this new version of history myself! I actually think there is a lot of potential for him to be a character who is a sympathetic, long running antagonist. If I were to run some kind of series based on the new continuity, I think it likely he would abandon his quest for a brief period of time and return to the Vulcan community--I think Spock Prime even says something about all Vulcans needing to band together...or something to that effect, toward the end.

I think it would be interesting to see Sybok interacting with Vulcans who are probably emotionally vulnerable, experiencing trauma, in the wake of their suviving the cataclysm. I could see Sybok using his "Share your pain" power opportunistically, and Spock Prime opposing him because he knows the answer at the end of Sybok's quest, and he is protective of the few Vulcans remaining, not wanting to see their numbers reduced by some of them getting suckered into a quest that would be symbolically important; the search for a new home, the ultimate home, Sha Ka Ree. It would be so much more meaningful to the Vulcans, a hope that they might reach for in a moment of weakness.

I'm not sure it would fit well with the concept of the next movie, but it's one direction I would take with a series based on the new continuity.

As for my own villain, one I'm keen on is a reimagined version of Garth of Izar. The idea is to take him out of his mental hospital setting, and set him loose on the galaxy. I'm partly inspired by some ideas from the new Doctor Who, when the Doctor's companion, Rose, is regarded as having changed from her travels, becoming less human, more alien. The other part of it is how Star Trek stresses a philosophy of Infinite Diversity, and the strength that comes out of working together and learning about new cultures, and becoming better from learning about those different cultures. Also the whole thing about "The Human Adventure is Just Beginning" with Will Decker as one of the evolutionary directions that humans might take.

Enter Garth of Izar, who is the flip side of the coin, to juxtapose those ideas. The movie would be about those ideas, and how it can go wrong. Garth has explored the deeper reaches of space, and been exposed to alien philosophies and cultures; and his adventure culminated in a crippling accident. He is resurrected because of an alien race who taught him the technique that helped put him back together, the ability to reshape himself at will. The end result goes deeper than that, it's altered his consciousness, made him go mad. He exemplifies alien philosophies and cultures in his madness, but in the wrong way, he's come to the wrong conclusions, and this only illuminates the wonder and beauty of other cultures and philosophies. Even as he tries to impose his madness on the galaxy, and his interpretation of what is alien and Human, he unites Humans and other Races against him and his cult of followers who have gone mad with him.

That's a bit abstract, I admit, but its a starting point that I play with in my mind.

 

[Saga]

original ideas? i'll try.

Kirk searches for the Dark Tower....nah
Spock dreams of a unicorn...nah
Scotty finds a delorian...nah
Chekov finds a magic ring...nah

 

[gastrof]

...To OP...how about one word...BORG! We can have them ride in on 6 giant triangles'o death...

James Cawley already did that in the very first STAR TREK: NEW VOYAGES. (And it can be argued that New Voyages has done something like what the new movie has done, but did it much better.)

 

[slappy]

After the destruction of Vulcan, I think now would be the perfect time for a well written Sybok. With the loss of Vulcan, all that is left for him is Sha Ka Ree...or whatever you'd want to call it. Kirk must face a man more passionate, Spock a man more brilliant, and McCoy a man with more...wit. Sybok hijacks the Enterprise and goes in search of God, and half way through the journey, the crew realizes maybe he's not that nuts after all and begrudgingly go along for the ride...and the adventure.

Remove the give me your pain stuff, and his band of disciples (though he'll need some sort of followers to take over the Enterprise) and the fake God who needs a starship at the end.

Make them actually find some sort omnipotent being at the end, one who may have just introduced life into the universe...but don't say one way or another, leave it ambiguous.

Now that would be a Star Trek I'd see.

I actually was pondering Sybok's role in this new version of history myself! I actually think there is a lot of potential for him to be a character who is a sympathetic, long running antagonist. If I were to run some kind of series based on the new continuity, I think it likely he would abandon his quest for a brief period of time and return to the Vulcan community--I think Spock Prime even says something about all Vulcans needing to band together...or something to that effect, toward the end.

I think it would be interesting to see Sybok interacting with Vulcans who are probably emotionally vulnerable, experiencing trauma, in the wake of their suviving the cataclysm. I could see Sybok using his "Share your pain" power opportunistically, and Spock Prime opposing him because he knows the answer at the end of Sybok's quest, and he is protective of the few Vulcans remaining, not wanting to see their numbers reduced by some of them getting suckered into a quest that would be symbolically important; the search for a new home, the ultimate home, Sha Ka Ree. It would be so much more meaningful to the Vulcans, a hope that they might reach for in a moment of weakness.

I'm not sure it would fit well with the concept of the next movie, but it's one direction I would take with a series based on the new continuity.

As for my own villain, one I'm keen on is a reimagined version of Garth of Izar. The idea is to take him out of his mental hospital setting, and set him loose on the galaxy. I'm partly inspired by some ideas from the new Doctor Who, when the Doctor's companion, Rose, is regarded as having changed from her travels, becoming less human, more alien. The other part of it is how Star Trek stresses a philosophy of Infinite Diversity, and the strength that comes out of working together and learning about new cultures, and becoming better from learning about those different cultures. Also the whole thing about "The Human Adventure is Just Beginning" with Will Decker as one of the evolutionary directions that humans might take.

Enter Garth of Izar, who is the flip side of the coin, to juxtapose those ideas. The movie would be about those ideas, and how it can go wrong. Garth has explored the deeper reaches of space, and been exposed to alien philosophies and cultures; and his adventure culminated in a crippling accident. He is resurrected because of an alien race who taught him the technique that helped put him back together, the ability to reshape himself at will. The end result goes deeper than that, it's altered his consciousness, made him go mad. He exemplifies alien philosophies and cultures in his madness, but in the wrong way, he's come to the wrong conclusions, and this only illuminates the wonder and beauty of other cultures and philosophies. Even as he tries to impose his madness on the galaxy, and his interpretation of what is alien and Human, he unites Humans and other Races against him and his cult of followers who have gone mad with him.

That's a bit abstract, I admit, but its a starting point that I play with in my mind.

Oh that is some good stuff, my friend. Very good.

 

[Sabataage]

I wonder if they'd be willing to turn any of the current characters bad.

I doubt it, but I would like to see some of them tempted.

I'd also like to see a female villain, but considering Kirk's tendencies in that area, the whole thing could easily descend into cliche and cries of sexism. It would be tricky.

I would also like to see a female villain. Maybe a Romulan with future tech supplied by Nero before he set out to destroy Vulcan. She's smart, cold, calculating, commanding, and waaay oyt of Kirk's league. She's instead, interested in Spock. Que humorous scene where Kirk walks up to her proposing "negotiations" in a private. She lookls right past him and demands the brooding half-Vulcan be brought to her instead. The final fight is between her and Uhura. Genius!