Let's have a Nemesis appreciation thread. You know you want to...

[Kor]

Well, I have no problem with a dune buggy existing in the 24th century. I mean, are anti-grav/hovering/flying vehicles so common and standard that wheels just don't exist anymore?

Kor

 

[fonzob1]

Nemesis = easily the best of the TNG movies.

 

[Smellmet]

Well, I have no problem with a dune buggy existing in the 24th century. I mean, are anti-grav/hovering/flying vehicles so common and standard that wheels just don't exist anymore?

Kor

Neither do I really, but a lot of people seem to. I can take it or leave it to be honest.

Nemesis = easily the best of the TNG movies.

Not easily for me but it's still a yes.

 

[martok2112]

I did like Baird's approach to Trek.

The fight scene between Riker and the Viceroy in the bowels of the Enterprise, the lighting in there was meant as a sort of homage to "Alien".

As far as the story goes, I must be one of the few who had no objection whatsoever to the Argo sequence.

I remember after seeing it with my friends the first time in its very short theatrical run, I loved the hell out of the whole movie, and some of them were "meh". And then one of them telling me, "Dude, you seriously have got to stop defending that movie so much.".

I thought the Riker fight scene was the only bit of the movie I would class as genuinely 'bad' - it just seemed so limp and flat, and - where the hell did this deep pit suddenly appear from? Plus why didn't Picard just turn the fucking lights up?

I know I called the buggy scene 'shit' earlier but that was more of a story thing than anything, I didn't really mind it in isolation. I guess it's easy to diss the scene as it's generally seen as a contentious part of the film which people like to debate, what with the prime directive/what's a buggy doing in the 24th century points, but it was reasonably well executed, and had a couple of humorous moments in it, and (I know I keep banging on about it) still better than most of the stuff found in Insurrection.

Oh, I'll completely agree about the "expanded" belly of the ship during the Riker/Viceroy fight....where the hell did all that extra gut come from when they were already at the belly of the ship?! But I still liked the lighting.

 

[Smellmet]

I think that was the film's 'deck 78' moment

 

[Starborn Dragon]

I've enjoyed this movie. It's not my favorite, of course, but i still enjoy it.

I just don't understand the introduction of the Remans and the clone Shinzon.

i think it would've of worked much better is they just stuck to pure Romulan military commander trying to stage a military coup.

 

[Greg Cox]

Well, I have no problem with a dune buggy existing in the 24th century. I mean, are anti-grav/hovering/flying vehicles so common and standard that wheels just don't exist anymore?

Kor

Good point, but . . . .

Personally, my problem with the dune-buggy sequence was that it practically screamed budget constraints; it looked like something you'd see in a low-budget 1970's drive-in movie, not a modern-day sci-fi blockbuster.

Granted, it probably didn't help that I had just seen ATTACK OF THE CLONES for the first time the night before I saw NEMESIS, so an old-fashioned dune buggy chase looked even chintzier by comparison.

(Although, to be fair, NEMESIS has better, much more natural dialogue than ATTACK OF THE CLONES.)

 

[Nebusj]

I appreciated that the climatic battle actually felt like a battle. That is, it went on after the initial adrenaline rush --- for the audience and for the characters --- wore off, and it kept going on until both sides had given all they had and were on the brink of collapse. That's a rare thing to experience, especially in Star Trek, where normally a couple of exchanges of phaser fire and a report of the percentage shields plays the part of a battle.

 

[martok2112]

I appreciated that the climatic battle actually felt like a battle. That is, it went on after the initial adrenaline rush --- for the audience and for the characters --- wore off, and it kept going on until both sides had given all they had and were on the brink of collapse. That's a rare thing to experience, especially in Star Trek, where normally a couple of exchanges of phaser fire and a report of the percentage shields plays the part of a battle.

Exactly!

 

[Kor]

I think that was the film's 'deck 78' moment

So NEM is a mish-mash of TWOK, TUC, and TFF.

Kor

 

[Kor]

I'm watching NEM at the moment.

It seems like every time the Enterprise is hailed by another ship, the person at the console has a weird reaction, as if they've never been hailed by another ship before and the whole notion of being hailed is completely unexpected.

"Captain... we're being *hailed* "

Kor

 

[Smellmet]

I appreciated that the climatic battle actually felt like a battle. That is, it went on after the initial adrenaline rush --- for the audience and for the characters --- wore off, and it kept going on until both sides had given all they had and were on the brink of collapse. That's a rare thing to experience, especially in Star Trek, where normally a couple of exchanges of phaser fire and a report of the percentage shields plays the part of a battle.

That's what I felt watching it, the stakes seem high, and it's a genuine fight to the death, I know it was clearly intentional, but it really did have a TWOK feel to it, and although you can accuse it of being a rip off, it didn't really spoil my enjoyment of it, the TNG movie series needed something like this after it's lacklustre predecessor, despite the dreadful box office performance. In fact I'd argue that if this had been released in place of Insurrection, it would have done much better business.

I think that was the film's 'deck 78' moment

So NEM is a mish-mash of TWOK, TUC, and TFF.

Kor

Haha, never really thought that before!

 

[plynch]

Best dunebuggy scene in all of Trek. Best. Dunebuggy. Scene. Evah.

It's like a message from God, skywriting, indubitable, a voice through a bullhorn: "We are now jumping the shark!"

It's so nice, really, when something is so clear.

And the public responded appropriately.

 

[eyeresist]

Something I think I forgot to say in my last post, I did like the whole idea of the Remans, a colony of slaves mutated by dilithium, whose only alternative is military servitude. It gave depth to the scenario and made the Romulans more interesting. BTW, a couple of Remans appear in the background during ENT's Andorian arc.

You forgot Shinzon's death scene, too mundane to be properly effective.

I thought it was pretty good to be honest - you've got to be a badass to drag yourself down a spike you've just been impaled on just so you can look your enemy in the eye as you pass away.

That bit was okay, but the way he ran into a spike that Picard pulled out of nowhere was hard to buy, and not shot in an interesting way.

I Apart from clone-envy, his main issue was wanting to get back at his oppressors by being "more Romulan than the Romulans". (A little like a certain Austrian corporal.)

Assuming we're thinking about the same Austrian Corporal....that's actually a pretty interesting comparison.

Thanks. Thinking a bit more about it, I wonder if, after he took over Romulus, Shinzon then annexed Remus to make it part of Romulus rather than a vassal state?

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Best dunebuggy scene in all of Trek. Best. Dunebuggy. Scene. Evah.

It's like a message from God, skywriting, indubitable, a voice through a bullhorn: "We are now jumping the shark!"

It's so nice, really, when something is so clear.

And the public responded appropriately.

Well Plinkett reviews said it best. Why would you use the dunebuggy when it was actually far less useful than the craft that brought the buggy to the surface.

They could have just piloted the ship to the spot where the signal came from, landed and picked it up and then took off when the bad guys showed up in their cars/

Seriously it would be like a platoon of Marines being stranded in some rocky terrain and a helicopter was dispatched to get them. Only the helicopter, for no real reason, lands 60 miles away from the troops and drops off a humvee to drive the rest of the way over the rocky terrain to pick them up and then drive back to the helicopter.

That's how stupid using the dune buggy instead of the transport craft was.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Something I think I forgot to say in my last post, I did like the whole idea of the Remans, a colony of slaves mutated by dilithium, whose only alternative is military servitude. It gave depth to the scenario and made the Romulans more interesting. BTW, a couple of Remans appear in the background during ENT's Andorian arc.

You forgot Shinzon's death scene, too mundane to be properly effective.

I thought it was pretty good to be honest - you've got to be a badass to drag yourself down a spike you've just been impaled on just so you can look your enemy in the eye as you pass away.

That bit was okay, but the way he ran into a spike that Picard pulled out of nowhere was hard to buy, and not shot in an interesting way.

I Apart from clone-envy, his main issue was wanting to get back at his oppressors by being "more Romulan than the Romulans". (A little like a certain Austrian corporal.)

Assuming we're thinking about the same Austrian Corporal....that's actually a pretty interesting comparison.

Thanks. Thinking a bit more about it, I wonder if, after he took over Romulus, Shinzon then annexed Remus to make it part of Romulus rather than a vassal state?

And then he invaded Vulcan and the Federation, instead of going to war, told Shinzon he could have Vulcan if he PROMISED not to invade anymore planets and Shinzon said he would honor that agreement.

Then the Federation president returns to Earth declaring that they've secured "Peace throughout the Galaxy"

 

[eyeresist]

More on the Remans - them being used as cannon fodder could be a partial explanation as to why Starfleet had never seen a Romulan despite having a war with them.

Seriously it would be like a platoon of Marines being stranded in some rocky terrain and a helicopter was dispatched to get them. Only the helicopter, for no real reason, lands 60 miles away from the troops and drops off a humvee to drive the rest of the way over the rocky terrain to pick them up and then drive back to the helicopter.

Well, I'm sure there must be a good reason our modern military still uses land vehicles when they have all those choppers and planes. I guess one reason is that in a humvee you get a much better view of the ground. Also, if a humvee's engine is disabled, it'll just roll to a stop, not plummet into the ground.

 

[Kilana2]

My favorite line was: Picard to Riker: "You have the bridge, Mr. Troi"

 

[The Overlord]

I will say something positive about this movie, it was somewhat ambitious.

I think with a couple of rewrites, it would have been better, have Shinzon try to destroy Romulus rather then Earth and you would have had a better story with a better pay off, rather then another, villain tries to destroy Earth plot, which was getting old at this point. Shinzon had a clear motive to destroy Romulus, his motives for wanting to destroy Earth seem vague and muddled.

Nemesis had the potential to great, but it had a muddled execution.

 

[Trekkin]

I didn't mind it the first time I watched it, but it does seem to slip down a bit on every rewatch. I still enjoy it more than INS, and it's not quiet as maddening as TMP (which is technically a better movie, just not 'enjoyable'.) Howver, it was a terrible finale for TNG.

I liked Donatra, most of Picards one-on-one scenes with Shinzon, Shinzon's (admittedly not that original) death, and Data's goodbye to B4 when he supposably switches him off.