Let's cut bits off of babies, yes?
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So long, and thanks for all the penis?
It's not a medical decision. Call it a cultural decision, call it a cosmetic decision. I don't care, just don't call it a medical decision.
Sorry, but that's just ridiculous, of course it is a medical decision. Whether you are for or against circumcision, it is idiotic to claim it is not, at least in part, a medical decision. It is a medical procedure performed with medical instruments by medically trained personale.
I think he means there is no medical justification.
^Well then. In that case I shall remove my foot from my mouth and agree completely!
While I found no new information in the article, I very much appreciate your gift of information, Alidar Jarok. I have printed it out for him to read, the next time I see him.
Currently, his wife is the main obstacle to circumcision. She sounds much like those in this thread who consider it an abomination and worthy of execution, etc. Hopefully, he will make his own decision one day.
Reading this thread, I find it sad that those who are steadfastly against circumcision use terms like mutilation, disfigurement and such to describe it... yet call those of differing viewpoints irrational (and more). No matter what your viewpoint, it really is a matter of opinion. You either believe it is wrong or you believe it is fine. No one has really provided incontrovertible evidence on either side.
From a Judeo-Christian (and Muslim) perspective, it comes from a covenant with our Creator. No amount of persuasion will change the opinions of those, like me, in this category.
Likewise, those who believe it is a criminal act to do so will not change their opinions either.
To both categories I say, "IDIC", people! There is room for both opinions. I have never made circumcision- nor lack thereof- a prerequisite for friendship. I am gay and still don't ask a man to drop his drawers before we can be friends!
As for what the ideal penis looks like, again I say, "IDIC"! I played sports, stayed in dormitories in college, and served in the military where communal showers were the norm. The ideal penis does not exist. I have seen circumcised, uncircumcised, up-curved, down-curved, right- and left-curved penises, long ones and short ones... none looked any more ideal than another.
To be blunt, as a gay man, my opinion is the same as above. I am gay because I am attracted to men. They have one certain part women do not have... a penis. Those I have encountered (not as many as some may believe- I am gay, not a slut
) are varied and beautiful in their own way, much as their owners.
Being relationship oriented, I have never needed to see it prior to entering into a relationship.
I am steadfastly against the non-therapeutic circumcision of infants and I have not used those terms. However I am not against circumcision of males who are old enough to make a decision themselves (and this is the attitude taken by some others in this thread).
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The vast majority of Christian denominations are neutral on the subject of circumcision and most of those that aren't forbid it.
I agree it's a surgical procedure. It's done by trained personnel to make it as safe as possible. But everything I've heard suggesting it has a medical benefit of some kind is offset by what I've heard suggesting it causes harm instead. In the end, I've decided both are more or less a wash. I personally think one can feel there are valid reasons for circumcision, but I don't think those reasons are medical. And I hate it when people have misinformation as their justification.
As TSQ, nicely, pointed out that it is a medical decision since it involves doctors, medicine and surgery.
I think what Alidar was trying to say (and I probably agree) is that it's not really a procedure based on medical benefits. It's a procedure done for cultural or aesthetic purposes. I certainly don't think he was implying that doctors and medicine are not involved in the process of the procedure itself.
The Greeks were uncircumcised as a culture. The Catholic church is not endorsing either circumcision, nor lack thereof, by displaying said Greek statues. I am not saying this was your intent, rather clarifying the issue.
No it's not made on medical benefit (any real ones, anyway, though people still try and justify it that way) but it's still a medical decision. Even if you're deciding whether or not to have breast implants it's a medical decision because it involves surgery, doctors, recovery and medicine and all of the benefits, drawbacks and risks that comes with it.
And I do agree with this completely, I just misunderstood your meaning in your original post.
OK, cool. Just trying to clarify what I wrote. Also, what Kestra said 
I realize many here get very passionate about this subject. I've never entirely understood why, but both sides have people who get flat out partisan. I feel all should be educated about it before they make a decision, but that's as strongly I'll ever feel about it.
I realize many here get very passionate about this subject. I've never entirely understood why, but both sides have people who get flat out partisan. I feel all should be educated about it before they make a decision, but that's as strongly I'll ever feel about it.
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OK, cool. Just trying to clarify what I wrote. Also, what Kestra said
I realize many here get very passionate about this subject. I've never entirely understood why, but both sides have people who get flat out partisan. I feel all should be educated about it before they make a decision, but that's as strongly I'll ever feel about it.
The problem is that a child's body is changed for no good reason other than 'it's how we've always done it'.
Cosmetic surgery, however small - and especially when it is as medically pointless as this one -, should only be performed with the consent of the person it's being performed on.
