Some truck drivers, who are on the road all day, get sun tanned on the left side only. U.S, that is: I imagine that British equivalents have the opposite problem.
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
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Racism bigotry and prejudism will always be with humanity. Even in a progressive society likes ours. Even in our society in the modern age we have:
Ageism.
Sexism.
Political partisan (liberal vs conservatives )
Religious
Non religious
Nobody has the monopoly on racism, bigotry and prejudism, even though they always claim that it's only the one side doing it to the other. A lot of it goes around.
The thing about humans is a lot of them preach tolerance and understanding but when we get right down to it, the tolerance and understanding does go right out the window and people pick and choose to tolerate whom they approve of, and don't hold everybody to the same standards of tolerance.
And no, I just can not believe that an alien race would be so superior to over come this. Not unless they're a hive like culture or whacked out on drugs. In any large population, especially in a free speech society, there will always be a wide variety of beliefs, some hostile, and some not. But even the most benign one will probably end up absorbing the elsser cultures into their society. That's what happens throughout history. It'll be the same with an alien race.
And in one sense it's already being done. Because when people talk about how "superior" an alien race is, they already have a desire to be like them. Thus the constant expression of "oh they've overcome the things humanity has never been able to over come".
Humanity has had thousands of years to get it right. But there will always be malcontents who will do their level best to be disaruptive as they possibly can. People will never be satisfied with the status quo and will always seek to change it.
No, no, I just can not believe that an alien race will somehow learn to do what humanity cannot do. They may, but it's doubtful.
Ageism.
Sexism.
Political partisan (liberal vs conservatives )
Religious
Non religious
Nobody has the monopoly on racism, bigotry and prejudism, even though they always claim that it's only the one side doing it to the other. A lot of it goes around.
The thing about humans is a lot of them preach tolerance and understanding but when we get right down to it, the tolerance and understanding does go right out the window and people pick and choose to tolerate whom they approve of, and don't hold everybody to the same standards of tolerance.
And no, I just can not believe that an alien race would be so superior to over come this. Not unless they're a hive like culture or whacked out on drugs. In any large population, especially in a free speech society, there will always be a wide variety of beliefs, some hostile, and some not. But even the most benign one will probably end up absorbing the elsser cultures into their society. That's what happens throughout history. It'll be the same with an alien race.
And in one sense it's already being done. Because when people talk about how "superior" an alien race is, they already have a desire to be like them. Thus the constant expression of "oh they've overcome the things humanity has never been able to over come".
Humanity has had thousands of years to get it right. But there will always be malcontents who will do their level best to be disaruptive as they possibly can. People will never be satisfied with the status quo and will always seek to change it.
No, no, I just can not believe that an alien race will somehow learn to do what humanity cannot do. They may, but it's doubtful.
Is "Prejudism" a new word referring to a time before there were Jewish people?
While I agree with everything you've said in this thread, this post damages your credibility. Forbin is not being a "grammar nazi," as there is no such thing, and your use of the term echoes exactly what you accused Forbin of. I'll quote you directly:
Forbin was simply trying to point out the word you were basing your argument on does not exist; it is not for you to decide otherwise, nor ridicule him for trying to educate you. While you don't have to thank him, ridiculing and insulting him isn't called for.
How can it be my opinion that a word does not exist?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071206123440AAAKRA1
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_prejudism
I attempted to point out your error humorously. It's you who are getting all huffy, choosing the beligerant, defensive reaction to finding out one has made a mistake, rather than taking the moral high road and admitting it.
Grammar wars IS the Last Battlefield! 
You know, Nedersong, spell-check is a wonderful invention. It's been around a few decades. Look into it. Seriously. One of the pet peeves in the working world are e-mails with misspellings. Hope you proofread all of your work-related communications! Now, if you work with your hands, no problem. Just sayin'! -- RR
You know, Nedersong, spell-check is a wonderful invention. It's been around a few decades. Look into it. Seriously. One of the pet peeves in the working world are e-mails with misspellings. Hope you proofread all of your work-related communications! Now, if you work with your hands, no problem. Just sayin'! -- RRExcept for one tiny thing nobody ever thinks about.
I am dyslexic to a mild degree.
Nobody ever seems to consider the possibility of someone being dyslexi on boards likese, Ever.
And I do proof read and use spell check quite often when I do psot on boards like this.
But the only reason to be a grammer nahtzee is to be an intolerant holier than thou pig.
There was a story in a book called "Tales Of The Dervishes" that adressed this deplorable phenomena.
In short, a man was walking by when he heard some cries for help. When he investigated, he found a man had fallen down a well. He talked to the man for a bit, and the man couldn't get out because he had several broken limbs. But what did he do?
He criticised the way the man talked and his grammer. So the man got fed up with him and left him in the well.
Because if that was what was important the man could just stay in the well.
If people are so hung up an the appearance of the way a person types or spells or speaks, then that makes them a bigot. And they are the ones who are the fools.
I am dyslexic to a mild degree.
Nobody ever seems to consider the possibility of someone being dyslexi on boards likese, Ever.
And I do proof read and use spell check quite often when I do psot on boards like this.
But the only reason to be a grammer nahtzee is to be an intolerant holier than thou pig.
There was a story in a book called "Tales Of The Dervishes" that adressed this deplorable phenomena.
In short, a man was walking by when he heard some cries for help. When he investigated, he found a man had fallen down a well. He talked to the man for a bit, and the man couldn't get out because he had several broken limbs. But what did he do?
He criticised the way the man talked and his grammer. So the man got fed up with him and left him in the well.
Because if that was what was important the man could just stay in the well.
If people are so hung up an the appearance of the way a person types or spells or speaks, then that makes them a bigot. And they are the ones who are the fools.
I always thought the one of the most chilling things about the ep were when Bele is chasing Lokai through the ship and they beam down, and in their minds, you see burning buildings and cities on fire, a not so subtle warning about race riots in the U.S.
And Kirk's last comment, when Sulu asks if he thought that hate was all that they ever had, and he ruefully replies, "No, but that's all they have now."
Red Ranger
And Kirk's last comment, when Sulu asks if he thought that hate was all that they ever had, and he ruefully replies, "No, but that's all they have now."
Red Ranger
Before now, I've heard almost nothing but criticism of this episode as being obvious trash. Now I'm being agreed with, and it's seen as a moderately good to very good episode. Fetch me my heart medicine, fast!
Personally, I've never thought the episode was trash, just a bit obvious in the illustration of the issue.
If they had gone with -- as suggested by someone above -- a spotted pattern, it would have been much more palatable, and the crew's slow uptake on figuring it out would have been easier to stomach.
And if they had not chosen pure black and pure white as the colors. Racial, cultural and ethnic prejudice aren't all about black and white, after all.
If they had gone with -- as suggested by someone above -- a spotted pattern, it would have been much more palatable, and the crew's slow uptake on figuring it out would have been easier to stomach.
And if they had not chosen pure black and pure white as the colors. Racial, cultural and ethnic prejudice aren't all about black and white, after all.
True. But you have to remember the time and place in which this ep was conceived. The U.S. was gripped by turmoil over civil rights, which was at the time, a black vs. white issue. So sure, it's obvious, but understandable. -- RR
I always disliked this episode because it was almost insulting to the intelligence. Does it really provoke further thought? Felt its message was so obvious, one sided, simplistic, and in a sense black and white that it leaves no room for further thought.
A better written, less preachy, less in your face episode would have delved more into why such hatred arose, what kept it going, was there any benefit from it, why couldn't it be resolved etc. Now there would have been made for some thought provoking, parallel finding, and solution driving results.
"Balance of Terror" did a better job of displaying prejudice and its bad consequences. I could understand that guy's suspicion of Spock, it might have even been justified in the event of war. I saw that some actions are often misconstrued - which further promotes the prejudice. I saw how the lack of cooperation between people due to prejudice holds back society as a whole. This type thought processes were absent from "Battlefiled". Just preached us to how evil and nonsensical racism is and if we don't stop we will end up destroying ourselves. Blah, blah, blah. Trek needs to be more thought provoking and action filled.
A better written, less preachy, less in your face episode would have delved more into why such hatred arose, what kept it going, was there any benefit from it, why couldn't it be resolved etc. Now there would have been made for some thought provoking, parallel finding, and solution driving results.
"Balance of Terror" did a better job of displaying prejudice and its bad consequences. I could understand that guy's suspicion of Spock, it might have even been justified in the event of war. I saw that some actions are often misconstrued - which further promotes the prejudice. I saw how the lack of cooperation between people due to prejudice holds back society as a whole. This type thought processes were absent from "Battlefiled". Just preached us to how evil and nonsensical racism is and if we don't stop we will end up destroying ourselves. Blah, blah, blah. Trek needs to be more thought provoking and action filled.
But how is it obvious --- before you've been told it --- that the defining obvious difference marking Lokai as upper-class and Bele as slave is the orientation of their colors? Why isn't it the way they smell? Whether they're right- or left-handed? Bele's habit of never using words that start with a silent p?
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