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Spoilers Let’s talk about the destruction of Trek utopia…

Also it pretends the previous film didn't exist (or severely downplays it and doesn't directly mention the events of that film) just because some fans got butthurt over it. Sound familiar?
I think For Your Eyes Only did more with the aftermath of Tracy Bond's death than Diamonds Are Forever ever did. Bond is at her grave after some time has passed, Blofeld appears, they get into it, then James Bond finally drops him to his pre-reboot death. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Cue intro credits, then they get into what For Your Eyes Only is really about.

Somehow, it unintentionally fits. The '70s were ridiculous for Bond Movies. So it was fitting that the first serious Bond Movie in a while (For Your Eyes Only in 1981) picked up where the last serious one (On Her Majesty's Secret Service in 1969) left off.
 
The most awkward part of DAF might be when Bond assumes the identity of Peter Franks and is about to drive onto the hovercraft to cross the English Channel. He asks Moneypenny what she wants him to bring back from Holland. She replies: "A diamond? In a ring?" Connery's Bond just gives her this look that says: "My wife is barely cold in her grave. TAKE IT DOWN A NOTCH, MONEYPENNY." :lol:

It's clear that after the pre-credits sequence of the film the producers just didn't give one damn about loose ends from the previous movie. ;)
 
Was that supposed to be faking a moon mission? I always assumed it was rehearsal/testing or something.
Bond is zipping by so fast from place to place in that part of the film, it's hard to tell what the intention was, but that's the way it looked to me. But it's been 20 years since the last time I've seen it.
 
The astronaut still moving like he was in zero or reduced gravity was absurd, though. Bond runs right by him and he walks and stretches out his arm to block Bond like he's in zero G. :lol:
 
I saw it described as diluting the brand. The discussion I read was centered more around Star Wars and the feeling that the Mandalorian is doing harm by being mediocre. They likened it to a poorly painted flower in a field of flowers painting ruining the whole piece. Now, for me, I still don't quite get it. If a show/film is good on its own then it is still good, no matter what came after it. There is nothing that future installments can do to take away the value of the original work. It's always good.

That would be particularly strange in the Trek context, given the era that some are clinging to featured plummeting ratings and box office receipts, and a licensee taking legal action against Paramount for running the franchise into the ground.

Hell, by that logic people may as well be angry with the majority of average episodes (let alone bad ones) in each series for detracting from the smaller number of excellent ones.
 
That would be particularly strange in the Trek context, given the era that some are clinging to featured plummeting ratings and box office receipts, and a licensee taking legal action against Paramount for running the franchise into the ground.

Hell, by that logic people may as well be angry with the majority of average episodes (let alone bad ones) in each series for detracting from the smaller number of excellent ones.
Thus far it does not appear to be logical nor do the individuals I discuss it with around the webz seem inclined to move past that idea. Trek (or Star Wars depending on what I am discussing) gets trapped in to a box and anything outside the box is not only unacceptable but actively harmful to the brand.

Sadly, without any clarification as to what harm is actually being done, either real or imagined, it is hard for me to fully understand the point of view. Because, honestly, I don't see damage to the brand. If the newer series are less than successful of the past incarnations wouldn't the older incarnations be appreciated more? That was my experience with things like the Star Wars prequels. I walked out of Revenge of the Sith with more affection for A New Hope than ever before.

Now, I've referenced SW a lot more in this post because honestly this view in Star Trek is so much harder to swallow in a franchise that espouses wanting to explore diversity. It's baffling.
 
Human resentment to Vulcan is understandable. Star Trek's earth society (not ours) was making tremendous bounds in the late 20th and early 21st centuries until World War 3. The Eugenics Wars did not seem to slow them down, if anything, it helped. What the Vulcans did for earth was useful, from a band-aid standpoint in their post-war recovery, but it also stunted their growth. Not to mention the Vulcans deliberately withheld information about important local neighbors like the Klingons and Andorians, that Earth had a right to know about (how the Earth Cargo Service did not know about Klingons after decades of operation, I don't understand, but that's a thread for the future)

Vulcan interference was getting to the point, or past it, depending on your point of view, that it was no longer worth the gains.

Heck, how the ECS and UESPA (Starfleet) didn't know about the Ferengi after the same decades, I don't know also.

Also, why didn't the Vulcans show up before WW III, so that nobody would start firing nukes? That would've helped humans not resent Vulcans a lot.
 
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Honestly, this might be an oversimplification but I think it's just that this Trek doesn't make people feel good. There's no happily ever after but honest and hard questions and challenges. Without that it feels very dystopian even though it is not.

Comes down to the feels.
You did hit the nail on the head here!
And as I wrote before, I've been waiting for a return to the 24th century and then it become like this.
It's like not being able to have a smoothie in years and when you finally can buy one, it's made of sour milk and cactus pieces.
I wanted the 24th century, not the 2020's.
 
totally agree with you lynx. Star Trek is just generic sci fi now with bright see thru holo panels and everything. Even back to TOS humanity has learned to evolve in its behavior. Hard to believe that Picard shows humanity just like it is now even talking like 20th and 21st century humans. With the same exact slang. They even have the sane clothes we do. Yeah I used to watch Star Trek to get away from the real world and see a fantasy world where humans had finally gotten over their petty squabbles. Yeah we got the bad Starfleet admiral every now and then and the darker storylines in DS9 but there was always that humanity really is better in the background. That positivity. That’s all gone now.
You did really hit the nail on the head here! :bolian:
 
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