Spoilers Let’s talk about the destruction of Trek utopia…

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Anters, Feb 24, 2020.

  1. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Whether they want to or not?
     
  2. CorporalCaptain

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    Humor, it is a difficult concept.

    Also, "people will go" implies having made a choice to do so.
     
  3. Lord Garth

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    Well, they probably won't go nude outside in the winter.
     
  4. fireproof78

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    That's what forcefield technology is for.
     
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  5. Lord Garth

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    Good thing TAS is back in canon!
     
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  6. Mr. Laser Beam

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    No, actually, it doesn't.

    In any case: Here you go.
     
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    And the weather net.

    It was never out of mine.
     
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    Until we have the liberty as a species to go nude whenever we desire then freedom will be at best an illusion. A construct made from the tangled and dingy fibers of a shirt woven by lies in the textile plant of a tyrant.
     
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    That’s one of Roddenberry’s concepts I’ve always admired. That in the future people can go nude in public if they so desire (in a completely tasteful manner), and no one would bat an eye about it or think it was anything out of the ordinary, like how men can walk around shirtless today and it’s completely normal.
     
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    It is something I appreciated as well. I think there is no shame in the human body and being nude is as normal as anything else.
     
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    And they did It in Starship troopers, when the man and woman showering together
     
  14. Dukhat

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    Yep. And Heinlein was a nudist, so that probably gave him some inspiration for that.
     
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    That was Verhoeven's idea. In the book the Mobile Infantry was all males.
     
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  16. Dukhat

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    Oops, my bad.
     
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    Ok, well we in the Netherlands don't make much problems with nudity
     
  18. fireproof78

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    Easy mistake to make, especially with "Stranger in a Strange Land" book.
    I guess that's why Verhoeven was nude too shooting the scene.
     
  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Actually he did that because the actors dared him to.
     
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    It depends, given the structure and goal of the story.

    PIC is a series that pushes the in-universe narrative envelope forward, and when it becomes more dark it's much easier to process and accept. One can easily accept the gradual deterioration of norms, customs, and common bonds of affection that define and direct an organizational culture like the Federation. When one sees an elderly statesmen lamenting the paradise lost he once cherished and fought so hard to maintain, it's interesting. In-universe, it makes sense and it's an intriguing story.

    I actually think it's been handled quite well on PIC, for the most part.

    This is quite a big difference than DISC, which also plunges us into a dystopian cluster. But here, it feels so forced and contrary to what we know and out of place that the show itself gets huffy and rejects established things that came before it and then tries to act like it really didn't just do that. It's a failure, to be generous.