It was Jean-Luc Earp's finest hourOh, that's right. I forgot about the Speech at the OK Corral.
It was Jean-Luc Earp's finest hourOh, that's right. I forgot about the Speech at the OK Corral.
It's also a powerful message for the audience of today: If you see the world is going crazy, DO something. Try to make it better and don't tell yourself everything is fine anyway.I think that PIC is finally giving the 24th century a long overdue reality check. Deep Space Nine has already started this, as was best exemplified by Sisko's oft-quoted speech from The Maquis. Just like how a huge part of the fandom has become complacent and started taking their most positive and utopian interpretations of an optimistic future for granted, I think the Federation itself has started resting on their laurels and that caused all kinds of cracks to appear and previously existing small ones to be magnified. So right now, I think, both the franchise and the Federation itself needs storylines where people realize that utopia needs to be fought for and preserved. You want an optimistic future? Then be prepared to defend it. Quoth Bones, "Spock, I've found that evil usually triumphs unless good is very, very careful."
For me, fighting to preserve an optimistic future that has suffered some cracks and has wavered a bit is one of the most profound positive messages that can be told to an early 21st century audience. Especially with how the Federation wavering relates to Picard's inner conflict so well.
This cannot be overstated. I thoroughly enjoyed your point but I love this part especially.I get that some fans will not like the show, but some call it 'dystopian'. The very word dystopia means 'undesirable or frightening society'. The Federation isn't being portrayed in such a manner, but we've peeled back some of the fluffy, cuddly outer layers to see what lies beneath. There are areas of lawlessness where the Federation has withdrawn its presence and takes no action. Not everyone experiences the utopian lifestyle presented in TNG. There's a grittier tone to PIC, as a result of changing circumstances, which is, once again, a reflection of our society - and Star Trek has always been a vehicle for telling stories relevant to our here and now.
Quoth Bones, "Spock, I've found that evil usually triumphs unless good is very, very careful."
dammit. since I was told I hate Gene's vision that must mean I hate that quote too.A line written by Gene Roddenberry no less.
Good point about 'optimistic' vs 'utopian'. Agreed about TNG.One more time: There's a big difference between "optimistic" and "utopian." TNG arguably got a bit carried away with the whole "utopian" business, but that was a bug, not a feature. TOS and DS9 and PICARD are much-needed correctives to the modern myth that all STAR TREK shows have to be as "utopian" as early TNG.
I actually had somebody tell me the other day that STAR TREK is supposed to present an "idyllic" future.
Uh-uh, that's not the STAR TREK I grew up on. TOS was about adventures on the Final Frontier, not about life in paradise.
Lots of extraneous words are being brought in to shuttle conversations into particular directions.I'm due to reply to someone in fury about the loss of utopia, so the comments here are really useful.
Shives, Jesse, Ketwolski, Trek Central, Rowan Coleman have been doing a good job covering Trek on youtube.Watch @Ketwolski . One of the more interesting ones right now for me. And a member here to boot![]()
Good point about 'optimistic' vs 'utopian'. Agreed about TNG.
I'm due to reply to someone in fury about the loss of utopia, so the comments here are really useful.
Although TOS was about adventures on the frontier, was it premised on there being a utopia which could sustain the cost of all the science and development?
Thanks, glad you liked it!This cannot be overstated. I thoroughly enjoyed your point but I love this part especially.
One of the best moments.We not going to kill . . . today."
Would you include Gary Buechler of Nerdrotic in this category of ignorant reviewers? He’s fairly scathing about PIC, regularly scoring it around 5/10.A good number of the YouTube reviewers are effectively ignorant of what Star Trek is. They mention abstract principles and nitpicks. They don't talk about the specifics of Star Trek, the things that happened in actual episodes. They get people riled up. And in many cases, they are clearly cultural warriors who are attempting political activism by trying to control the narrative of what Star Trek is supposed to be.
Nerdrotic reviews Star Trek? I was under the impression his Never-been-touched-by-a-female-because-women-are-eeeeeevil" toxic masculinity BS doesn't qualify in any shape or form as what sane people would consider as reviews.Would you include Gary Buechler of Nerdrotic in this category of ignorant reviewers? He’s fairly scathing about PIC, regularly scoring it around 5/10.
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