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Spoilers Let’s talk about the destruction of Trek utopia…

I love the optimistic/evolved humanity in TNG and so far it's not too far off from that. It's more like an extended version of Conspiracy where the federation has some issues. The only thing slightly different than I imagined is Raffi should be surrounded by counselors trying to help her get clean
And if she doesn't want help? Should they force her to get it?
 
Yeah, I like to think that Picard and Rios know Raffi well enough to give her her space in that moment. Doesn't mean they wouldn't help her in the long-term, as Rios began to do in a follow-up scene.

Surrounded by counselors? On an unregistered ship undertaking an unauthorized mission?
 
And if she doesn't want help? Should they force her to get it?

We have not actually seen her refuse or be offered any help. We have seen her say she always wished Picard had checked on her.

I imagine extremely passionate volunteer counselors in a utopia future would have some way to deal with it which should seem much different to modern day treatment.

So far we haven't seen a single thing about it, so we have to assume she was offered help and refused/moved away. That's OK with me but if they make it appear a person can just be forgotten and left alone to suffer with addiction and then lose all family/friends like in modern day then I think that part is hard to reconcile with TNG
 
That's OK with me but if they make it appear a person can just be forgotten and left alone to suffer with addiction then lose all fsmily/friends then I think that part is hard to reconcile with TNG
No, it's not. TNG respected an individual's right of choice. Barclay struggled for a while with fear of the transporter. As well as deficits in socializing. And he was teased by his shipmates as a result.

Forgotten? No, I think Raffi chose her life and blamed others for the result.
 
Yeah, I like to think that Picard and Rios know Raffi well enough to give her her space in that moment. Doesn't mean they wouldn't help her in the long-term, as Rios began to do in a follow-up scene.

Surrounded by counselors? On an unregistered ship undertaking an unauthorized mission?
The way I interpreted the scene was that they have seen her like this before and know what to do.

Neither Picard nor Rios looked overly surprised by the state she was in.
 
People fall through the cracks in TNG, too. See Reg Barkley

He didn't really though. When his issue was discovered he was given counseling and Deanna keeps checking on him even in Voyager.

Suder randomly killed a crew member in Voyager and even he was dealt with humanely when he asked for work, and that was in deep space. They really explored that with Tuvok.

It's fine to interpret the TNG future differently but I just never saw it as a world where loner paranoid addicts would be treated the same way as today.
 
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But how long had it been an issue?

Unless they had Deanna emotionally sense his anxiety there's not much way they would know how bad it became. Raffi's issue on the other hand seems to be common knowledge with her family and her withdrawing should set off warnings just like Barclay's lateness to his shifts.
 
He didn't really though. When his issue was discovered he was given counseling and Deanna keeps checking on him even in Voyager.

Suder randomly killed a crew member in Voyager and even he was dealt with humanely when he asked for work, and that was in deep space. They really explored that with Tuvok.

It's fine to interpret the TNG future differently but I just never saw it as a world where mental healthy loner paranoid addicts would be treated the same way as today.
Again, I don't think Raffi is being ignored. I think she chose her path and is refusing help.
 
Again, I don't think Raffi is being ignored. I think she chose her path and is refusing help.

That makes sense but I hope they show a bit of her refusing it, we haven't seen it. The lack of the attempt is a bit sad to me

Maybe they touch on it in the prequel novel I'm still reading it
 
I imagine that if that passionate group of volunteer counselors had flocked to Raffi's place at Vasquez Rocks, she would've shot their asses.

Maybe not, I mean she took the same stance with Picard but a little wine and she admits what she really wanted was for him to check on her.

I dont know what futuristic counselors would do but when I vaguely remember they pulled some considerable psychological trickery into Wesley's starfleet academy exams in TNG I would think they could come up with something
 
Unless they had Deanna emotionally sense his anxiety there's not much way they would know how bad it became. Raffi's issue on the other hand seems to be common knowledge with her family and her withdrawing should set off warnings just like Barclay's lateness to his shifts.
But they should have, His co workers, his superiors and other crewmembers in general all should have noticed.
 
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