Les Moonves reiterates DSC's early fall release

[RAMA]

Got to say, I haven't seen any "panic". More often than not, I see people making fun of it at this point.

It's palpable. The roof is literally caving in for these people and they've given up. One of the very first responses to this post I made on social media was: "there will be more delays and we'll never see it."

Mostly they are seeing the same 2 delays repeated over again as new, so the sense is it's mired in a hole it can't get out of, when in fact the reports from the set and production are the exact opposite.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Got to say, I haven't seen any "panic". More often than not, I see people making fun of it at this point.

No panic. Only human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.

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[jamestyler]

Mostly they are seeing the same 2 delays repeated over again as new, so the sense is it's mired in a hole it can't get out of, when in fact the reports from the set and production are the exact opposite.

I've seen it a LOT on Facebook and it's mind blowing. I've noticed you on some FB groups as well (I believe - may be misremembering what your face looks like ) and I'm sure you've seen the same absolutely baffling comments I have and the same 'delays' posted as news comes up with alarming regularity, spinning old information as a new complaint or an IO9 nonsensical rant.

One of the latest ones I've been arguing against is the idea that Discovery isn't happening, that it's a massive scam for reasons no one can explain. I thought the fan base had calmed down in recent years but between Sulu having a husband and Discovery I'm realising how many people within Trek facebook groups are batshit crazy.

 

[RAMA]

http://trekmovie.com/2017/05/03/sta...on-for-fall-cbs-ceo-talks-netflix-importance/

TrekMovie catches up with the news

 

[Noname Given]

In other words if for some reason Netflix bails, CBS will drop DSC like a hot potato.

^^^
Remind me again - what happens to ANY TV show when the MAIN and other sponsors of said show start bailing on it? Welcome to the BUSINESS of TV/Cable/Streaming content production.

I've been watching Star Trek first run since 1969 - and I enjoy much of it still to this day. That said, I'll never get over the entitlement some fans have; or how they think Star Trek is somehow so ultimately 'special' it should be immune to the business considerations of the media it's in.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Remind me again - what happens to ANY TV show when the MAIN and other sponsors of said show start bailing on it? Welcome to the BUSINESS of TV/Cable/Streaming content production.

Um, it get's cancelled? Which I never doubt it. Glad you're acknowledging that Netflix is the "MAIN sponsor" of DSC though. (More like production partner but anyway...) Because that FACT was disputed around these parts a little while ago. And that was what my comment was trying to establish. (Again, not that it's anything wrong for CBS to have business partners.)

 

[Noname Given]

Um, it get's cancelled? Which I never doubt it. Glad you're acknowledging that Netflix is the "MAIN sponsor" of DSC though. (More like production partner but anyway...) Because that FACT was disputed around these parts a little while ago. And that was what my comment was trying to establish. (Again, not that it's anything wrong for CBS to have business partners.)

How could anyone dispute it as practically every CBS executive talked to in interviews upfront stated "The sale of the international distribution to Netflix practically paid all the production costs of the show..."

And as for 'partners' - hell, that's HOW Hollywood does business. If you ever bother to watch the opening credits to a feature film (or TV show) and see all the various production and other company logos that flash on the screen <--- They're names are there because they help PAY for the production (or paid a fee for placement, product or otherwise) in the film/episode.

It's rare that a single studio pays for all production up front fir ANYTHING. The only time they might is if they really feel a project will net them a big return in later licensing or merchandising - but it's how major studios go bankrupt if the miscalculate; thus it's why they'll usually share the costs among such production 'partners'.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

How could anyone dispute it as practically every CBS executive talked to in interviews upfront stated "The sale of the international distribution to Netflix practically paid all the production costs of the show..."

Yeah, tell me about it!

And as for 'partners' - hell, that;s HOW Hollywood does business. If you ever bother to watch the opening credits to a feature film (or TV show) and see all the various production and other company logos that flash on the screen <--- They're names are there because they help PAY for the production (or paid a fee for placement, product or otherwise) in the film/episode.

It's rare that a single studio pays for all production up front fir ANYTHING. The only time they might is if they really feel a project will net them a big return in later licensing or merchandising - but it's how major studios go bankrupt if the miscalculate; thus it's why they'll usually share the costs among such production 'partners'.

Again, zero argument from me.

 

[AutoAdmin]

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[cultcross]

That's certainly what that passage you just quoted reads like, yes. This is what happens when a show is cancelled, they sell what they can and demolish the rest. Star Trek had a much grander send-off than most in this regard. Most series, even the hits, end with two hours of frenzied garage sale where the crew & friends swoop in like Black Friday hordes and snap everything up at bargain prices (it's how I got all my nicest furniture!). Star Trek got two big auctions, one administered by a top Hollywood memorabilia dealer and the other by the most prestigious auction house in the world. If that's not a sufficiently respectful way for a corporation to treat leftover production materials, I can't imagine what would be.

Granted, It's really sad to see the show you've worked on and loved for years be dismantled in a day or two. But to perceive malice in this standard and sensible operating procedure is silly.

Well yes, quite.

ENT was cancelled, there was no new Trek on the air or in the pipeline, what did people expect? Paramount to just keep part of its limited studio space as a perfectly preserved museum of Star Trek forever?

Most of the 'history' wasn't thrown away at all but actioned off - there is an a metric fuckton of screen used stuff out there on the private market. Seems a perfectly reasonable end to a respected franchise to give its hardcore fans access to the sets and props that are no longer needed.

I really do wonder why some seem to want the studios to treat Star Trek like some kind of religious revelation; it was a cancelled TV show as a result of poor ratings. Both times it was cancelled.

The fact they keep bringing it back after these cancellations is the remarkable thing, and shows the studio's actual feelings on the franchise.

 

[queerTrekker]

I doubt Netflix will suddenly drop it unless things go really, really bad somewhere. They have invested to much into it, Netflix is also host to it in a few other countries, and when they do, they may likely claim there part with the Netflix Original tag to it to. ex. Riverdale is Netflix Original in the UK from what I hear. They arn't morons.

 

[NOVE9]

The expanse here in australia is a netflix original too

 

[.:: TSN ::.]

I've sometimes wondered if Netflix should make a separate "Exclusive" label for series that are not actual Netflix-productions, but are just released by it in specific market.

 

[lawman]

A new news article has been published at TrekToday:

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Well, that (short) interview is kinda sad, really. It just underscores the perversely inverted system of values that's embedded in late capitalism when Moonves (or anyone else) talks about creative, artistic endeavors as nothing more than commodities that may add to some investor's bottom line. Money is supposed to be a means to an end, not an end in itself.

 

[jamestyler]

Well, that (short) interview is kinda sad, really. It just underscores the perversely inverted system of values that's embedded in late capitalism when Moonves (or anyone else) talks about creative, artistic endeavors as nothing more than commodities that may add to some investor's bottom line. Money is supposed to be a means to an end, not an end in itself.

Thats not really sad, thats life. Not just for the bags of money CBS would get, but for all of us. I'd love to have done all the 'art' and creative work I've done over the years out of the sheer joy of doing it.

Unfortunately I had rent to pay. Even on my tiny balancing act, money is the endgame because I like to eat and be warm indoors. Big businesses are exactly the same, just with higher stakes and income.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Show business is business and that's fine per se, but I wish Moonves would stop talking about money in every frigging interview. I get that he's the CEO of a large company but I wish he'd talk a little more about the creative part behind the show and less about the accounting. I don't think I've ever heard Kathleen Kennedy talk about the money Star Wars makes for Disney (unless she talks in a shareholders meeting or something.) Anyway, that's what I think, feel free to disagree.

 

[OpenMaw]

Moonves isn't the creative guy, though. He pays people to do that. He's the manager of a media business. So for him, what's going to be popular, succesful, and keep the boat afloat is more important.

 

[RAMA]

.. And today, despite all the good news, yet more Internet media sites claiming the Sky is falling. Lol

 

[RAMA]

Um... Context dude. It was a media business conference.

Well, that (short) interview is kinda sad, really. It just underscores the perversely inverted system of values that's embedded in late capitalism when Moonves (or anyone else) talks about creative, artistic endeavors as nothing more than commodities that may add to some investor's bottom line. Money is supposed to be a means to an end, not an end in itself.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, that (short) interview is kinda sad, really. It just underscores the perversely inverted system of values that's embedded in late capitalism when Moonves (or anyone else) talks about creative, artistic endeavors as nothing more than commodities that may add to some investor's bottom line. Money is supposed to be a means to an end, not an end in itself.

How are they going to pay for this show again?

CBS is a business, and this is a business meeting. He's going to address his audience and from a place he is familiar with. Nothing more and nothing less.