Leonard Nimoy on the new film

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Now, as to the Nimoy/Generations thing - according to him, at least, it was more complicated and political than just "not liking the part." There was some talk of him directing the film as well, and when he read the script and made suggestions, Rick Berman indicated that there wasn't time to make the changes. This was itself some political "arm wrestling" - Nimoy noted that at this point it became clear that he "wouldn't be directing a film for Paramount Pictures" but "directing a film for Rick Berman."

An ungracious soul might suggest that finding himself knocked down a rung or two on the Trek pecking order chafed Mr. Nimoy's famously untroubled ego, among other things. That would be...ungracious, for sure.

All of which could easily be true.

But my point remains. In fact, the more reasons we can come up with, the stronger my point gets.

Assuming that NIMOY NOT IN MOVIE = NIMOY KNEW IT WOULD BE BAD MOVIE and NIMOY IN MOVIE = NIMOY KNEW IT WOULD BE GOOD MOVIE is simplistic and naive.

And, no, I'm not accusing you of doing that.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Assuming that NIMOY NOT IN MOVIE = NIMOY KNEW IT WOULD BE BAD MOVIE and NIMOY IN MOVIE = NIMOY KNEW IT WOULD BE GOOD MOVIE is simplistic and naive.

And, no, I'm not accusing you of doing that.

No, I'm a little more sophisticated than that.

Besides, Nimoy agreed to be in "Star Trek V."

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Besides, Nimoy agreed to be in "Star Trek V."

Exactly!

Our selective memories are wildly out of control here at the TrekBBS.

Mine included, of course.

 

[T'Aerwynd]

Besides, Nimoy agreed to be in "Star Trek V."

Leonard Nimoy once said he wanted to make a contribution to every Star Trek film he appeared in. He chose to appear in ST:V because he felt he could make a contribution in some way. Fans didn't like it, no ... and while there are a number of issues with the film itself (Sybok, anyone?), the idea of searching for God is not a bad one. It was just poorly done. I will have to reread "I Am Spock," because I could have sworn he addressed his reasons for appearing in ST:V. Selective memory? No.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

of course he's not "required " to make an enthusiastic endorsement like that , but it's a bit unrealistic to think he would say anything other than something positive about the film, don't you think?

No...if he didn't like the film, he could just do what many actors do when they are in disappointed with the outcome of a film they were in --
-- and that is to just lay low and don't offer unsolicited ringing endorsements; and if asked by a reporter what they thought about the film, they simply give a politely vague non-negative response such as "I had a good time making the film".

Instead, Nimoy chose to go out of his way to make overtly positive unsolicited statements about the film. I have the feeling the he truly feels this is a good film. Of course, that's only his opinion and other people may not enjoy it as much as Nimoy.

Leonard Nimoy once said he wanted to make a contribution to every Star Trek film he appeared in. He chose to appear in ST:V because he felt he could make a contribution in some way. Fans didn't like it, no ... and while there are a number of issues with the film itself (Sybok, anyone?), the idea of searching for God is not a bad one. It was just poorly done. I will have to reread "I Am Spock," because I could have sworn he addressed his reasons for appearing in ST:V. Selective memory? No.

Agreeing to make a film because you like the script is not the same as giving a highly positive review of the finished film. Like T'Aerwynd implied, Star Trek V didn't suck because it was a bad story; it sucked because of poor story execution.

Nimoy agreeing to do Star Trek XI didn't make the film a "must-see" for me, but his rave review of the finished product makes this a film that I am now very eager to see.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

of course he's not "required " to make an enthusiastic endorsement like that , but it's a bit unrealistic to think he would say anything other than something positive about the film, don't you think?

It's completely realistic to think that he would not volunteer a ringing endorsement of the finished film, five months from release.

It's not as if this was said in response to a question or at some arranged press opportunity for the film where he'd agreed to appear.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

The way the comments are presented, it's as if he feels the need to defend the film against the more negative minded fans. That's sort of what I take away from it. Not the fact he thinks it's a good film, but that it's worth his time to reinforce the idea.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Interestingly enough, his comments themselves don't include any reference to criticism or negative reactions.

 

[gastrof]

While Nimoy's statement doesn't guarantee that Trek XI will be a fantastic movie, I think it still carries a lot of weight. Nimoy strikes me as someone who is very careful with his opinion.

Just to be fair, notice we don't get HIS opinion, but that of his wife? He's simply passing it on to us, saying she's tough to please, making her opinion seem all the more favorable.

This portion of the statement is his opinion:
"There are some directors who can manage a grand scale and some who can deliver great personal character elements. Not many can do both. JJ Abramsis one of the few. He has given us a wonderful film."

I bow to your being more attentive (and having a better memory) than me on this...

Just so you know, neither is very hard to achieve.

 

[xortex]

She didn't want it to end because she was still waiting for the story to begin. No story is a great story. How could it not be ? Me, I miss the cerebral metaphysical stuff that the Desilu studios initially rejected - a bad idea. Cancelling the original series - also a bad idea in retrospect.

 

[btflash]

I did no such thing.

ummmm, yes you did!

I said that he's perfectly able to restrain himself from making comments if he chooses.

thats not what you said. you said" he does not have to say anything-unlike some actors he's perfectly able to restrain himself in that regard". well , obviously he didn't restrain himself in that regard as you have stated. thats
a contradiction!

Since he's not required to be making an enthusiastic endorsement like this and since he is capable of restraining himself from seeking public attention just for the sake of it, there is reason to take his opinion seriously rather than just tossing off an ill-thought comment like "well of course he's going
to say it's wonderful. what's he going to say... it sucks?"

of course he's not "required " to make an enthusiastic endorsement like that , but it's a bit unrealistic to think he would say anything other than something positive about the film, don't you think?

Of course it is. He would never have agreed to be in it if he hadn't known it

would be good!

then by your logic he should not have appeared in star trek's 1,3 and 5. none of which were good!

 

[btflash]

Assuming that NIMOY NOT IN MOVIE = NIMOY KNEW IT WOULD BE BAD MOVIE and NIMOY IN MOVIE = NIMOY KNEW IT WOULD BE GOOD MOVIE is simplistic and naive.

[/quote]

you are correct, sir!

 

[Jon1701]

Wait a minute.

Are you telling me Leonard Nimoy is in this new movie?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Wait a minute.

Are you telling me Leonard Nimoy is in this new movie?

Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PioJqYBeT3g

Don't say I never gave you anything.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

She didn't want it to end because she was still waiting for the story to begin.

Uh...no.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even James Doohan in the summer of 1989 gave good word-of-mouth to TREK V, even though in later years(and at a big 1992 convention in my hometown coinciding with "Relics(TNG)")he gave it a "Big Zero" and confessed he thought it was a mess of a film helmed by a guy he had issues with.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Even James Doohan in the summer of 1989 gave good word-of-mouth to TREK V...

Real different actor and real different situation, though. And he was speaking as part of the studio's publicity effort.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even James Doohan in the summer of 1989 gave good word-of-mouth to TREK V...

Real different actor and real different situation, though. And he was speaking as part of the studio's publicity effort.

Still, it's proof anyone can and will say anything about any project so long as they sign an agreement and are paid. Doohan hated TFF, in part no doubt because of Shatner's directing job and mishaps.

 

[JoeZhang]

So he's lying and making up that comment from his wife?

It's one thing to say that Paid = only positive remarks but are we suggesting he's making up stories as well?

 

[cooleddie74]

So he's lying and making up that comment from his wife?

It's one thing to say that Paid = only positive remarks but are we suggesting he's making up stories as well?

No, never insinuated that. Just giving examples of TREK actors who sometimes enhance how good a movie is based on something a fellow colleague or friend believes about the project.