Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Enterprise is Great, Oct 13, 2021.
It feels weird that season 6 just ended less than 2 months ago and now season 7 premieres tonight.
Big spoilers for the 100th episode officially released today. Will not air until October 27th. https://ew.com/tv/legends-of-tomorrow-100th-episode-first-look-photos/
It’ll be awesome seeing all of those old characters return.
Great episode to start the season! I like the idea of them being trapped in the past and screwing up history along the way (even though I’m sure they’ll reset all of the changes at some point). I wonder how long Astra, Spooner, and Gideon will be separated from “The Bullet Blondes”.
If this episode is any indication, it looks like we’ll be in for another great season of Legends (the most consistently good of the Arrowverse shows).
Yep, they're back and they're as crazy as ever. Trying something new, but still being the same old gang of screw-ups -- now a literal gang, no less.
I loved Sara's ringleader outfit. Not only did she look fantastic in fishnets, but they were presumably an homage to the original Black Canary costume, a nod to her Canary history. (Recently I was trying to think who would be good to play the original 1940s version of Black Canary, and I realized that Caity Lotz would be perfect for it -- far more so than Katie Cassidy ever was. Not to mention Lori Loughlin, Alaina Huffman, and Jurnee Smollett-Bell.)
I'm disappointed that the portrayal of J. Edgar Hoover was just playing on the outdated myth of him as an indefatigable lawman, instead of acknowledging what a racist, fascist bastard he was. I mean, sure, they did paint him as an antagonist, but they glossed over the evils and abuses of power he would be responsible for later in life, and had the Legends react to him as if he were an uncomplicatedly iconic historic figure.
When Hoover was killed, I thought that the reason they'd set up Astra's resurrection spell earlier in the episode was that they were going to have her use it to revive Hoover, and thus restore her confidence in her worth. Instead, being Legends, they went in a far crazier direction.
Speaking of Astra's insecurity, did we really need two consecutive scenes of Spooner's mother and Spooner herself both giving Astra essentially the same pep talk? They could've trimmed the former and spent more time on something else, though I'm not sure what.
Speaking of expectations, I'd thought that with Constantine leaving, they'd finally strike the standing sets of his house and build something else in their place. Instead, they've contrived an excuse to keep using those sets -- and ironically it's the Waverider sets that we went without this week (though I assume that won't be true permanently).
Why did the wreckage of the Waverider look like concrete?
I was thinking it looked like polystyrene foam or something like that.
Well, it probably is polystyrene foam.
The "Bullet Blondes" - too perfect!
Ava's lists had me laughing and pointing at my husband.
My guess on Hoover is they didn't want to stir any controversy and just stuck to Important to History - which IS true, no matter how much of a psycho bastard he was.
I had been wondering how Gideon would get a body. Clever!
I wish I had a pocket dimension sanctuary!
How is it controversial? I thought that Hoover's abuses of power were pretty widely accepted truths by now. And CW shows rarely shy away from taking a stand on racial justice issues.
Now, that's more like it. I should've known they would address J. Edgar Hoover's dark side after all; they were just saving it as the focus for this episode.
It was kind of weird to me to see Gary getting lumped in with Behrad as someone Hoover's men reflexively mistrusted because of his looks. I never thought of Gary as looking anything other than white. But then, Adam Tsekhman's filmography includes several Middle Eastern characters, even though he's of Ukrainian Jewish heritage, so I guess maybe he's one of those actors who have an ambiguously "foreign" look in some people's eyes? And certainly 1920s racists would've defined "whiteness" even more narrowly, excluding groups like Eastern Europeans and Jews (and even the Irish and Italians).
So there are Terminators impersonating historical figures? And maybe they're after the Legends? We get a hint to the mystery, but it just deepens the mystery.
I'm starting to wonder if the decision to stick in 1925 on a continuing basis was partly influenced by budget cuts. This was kind of a bottle episode, taking place entirely on a train and on the standing sets of Constantine's house and the Cruz house, and with relatively little in the way of effects or action until the climax.
It’s only been two episodes, but I like the balance so far of seriousness with zaniness. They’re really pulling it off. They’ve taken the best crazy parts of seasons 5 and 6 and balanced it with a bit more serious stuff like season 2. Hopefully they keep it up.
I felt this was the strongest Nate episode in a while. He got to flex his historian knowledge and wrestle with the guilt and responsibility of killing a controversial but very important historical figure.
I’m intrigued by this robot storyline. Right now I suspect the other waverider is the crew just cleaning up all of the mistakes (including somehow making robot replacements of important historical people that get killed along the way) but Gideon’s ominous proclamation kind of throws a wrench into things.
Next week is the 100th episode and looks awesome!
I understand Nate feeling that he killed Hoover, but objectively, that's not the case. Hoover shot Nate; Nate just steeled up in reflexive self-defense, and by freak chance, the ricochet killed Hoover. So I'd say Hoover was responsible for his own death. (Although the law might not technically agree, since if the fatal confrontation resulted from a criminal act that Nate was committing, that would constitute felony murder even if he wasn't the one who directly caused the death.)
I agree that he was just defending himself by steeling up, although as you said it might have been during a criminal act. But I think Nate also feels guilty because he, the resident historian, screwed history up.
Well! Nice to see they *did* deal with Hoover's bigotry. It was also nice to see Nate take center stage for the first time in ages, *and* the writers remembered he's a historian. He's also the closest to "Lawful Good" in the group and I enjoyed seeing that brought to the forefront.
Watching the poor Russian immigrant being "interrogated" hurt my heart, as did the profiling of Behrad (Persian descent) and Gary (Jewish). The Palmer Raids are mentioned, but the episode is also set one year after the Immigration Act of 1924, which prevented immigration from Asia and set quotas on the number of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe (my maternal ancestors are from Italy and Poland).
Meanwhile, we found out Spooner's "power" has something to do with communication. I thought that was interesting and look forward to seeing what they do with that. Gideon sets up Matt Ryan's new character - yay! The seemingly-infinite whiskey bottles were awesome. And... robots? I love how this show always manages to surprise me.
Maybe the Waverider that blew up the Legends’ Waverider is full of robot versions of the Legends.
That would be fun!
With this show, it's just as likely to be the revenge of the puppet Legends.
Huh was that the Farm from Smallville?
Not that it matters, but I wonder if Gideon's memories are pre-Crisis (Did Gideon undergo the memory restoration process from Cisco or J'onn?) or post-Crisis (the Legends adventures more or less happened the same before and after the multiverse reboot).
I enjoyed that episode. Nice to see Beebo and all the old crew - and a reminder of how the show has changed from the first season until now. And nice way to tie the tribute into the ongoing story arc. Not crazy about seeing Bishop again, though; I was tired of the character.
On Twitter someone pointed out that "Love Will Keep Us Together" was the song that played in the bar during the show's pilot episode.
Loved this episode! It was a great tribute to the entire series and it felt right that it was the first Gideon focused episode.
I was also genuinely surprised to see Bishop at the end. They seem to be setting him up as the antagonist of the season, but I wouldn’t be surprised if evil Gideon gets rid of him quickly and becomes the true antagonist. That would be interesting.
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