Spoilers Legacy characters in Season 3

[Nerys Myk]

I would like to see Sarek (James Frain) again, although it might be tricky to write a story with him that doesn’t involve Spock or Kirk.

Kirk's reoccurring. So it's easy to not use him. As for Spock, you split the team as they've done in past episodes. Pike and a few others get roped into some diplomatic mission with Sarek. Spock and his group stay on the ship with a B plot. In the teaser you might have Spock and Sarek in a scene but purposely ignore each other.

Check please.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Chapel is not the same thing as actor Jess Bush, which is why there is a distinction.

I still don't get it.

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Like I said, I thought that 'queer' meant 'any orientation that isn't straight'. So I had assumed that 'queer' could mean both bi AND gay. Am I wrong? I'm not trying to be ignorant or homophobic, I genuinely want to know the truth.

 

[Tosk]

I still don't get it.

If I'm not mistaken, they're simply being specific on the former, and general on the latter.

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All bisexuals are queer, but not all queer people are bisexual. ...why are we spoilering this?

I could be waaaay off though.

 

[ichab]

you can do both. Stargate Atlantis brought in multiple SG-1 characters over the five seasons they did and it didn't step on any of the Atlantis characters toes or was consider "memberberries".

Stargate Atlantis also had the luxury of 20 episode seasons.

 

[ananta]

I still don't get it.

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Like I said, I thought that 'queer' meant 'any orientation that isn't straight'. So I had assumed that 'queer' could mean both bi AND gay. Am I wrong? I'm not trying to be ignorant or homophobic, I genuinely want to know the truth.

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Im gay and even I’m confused by identity politics. Some people prefer certain words, others don’t. A lot of younger LGBT people seem to like the word “queer”. I don’t; to me, it’s hate speech, as it was originally intended to be. So, I guess it means whatever a person takes it to mean. It’s a confusing world to be sure.

 

[Unique]

I still don't get it.

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Like I said, I thought that 'queer' meant 'any orientation that isn't straight'. So I had assumed that 'queer' could mean both bi AND gay. Am I wrong? I'm not trying to be ignorant or homophobic, I genuinely want to know the truth.

The distinction was being made between the in-universe character and the actress IRL, not between the terms “bisexual” and “queer”.

 

[Pauln6]

I would like them to introduce a yeoman of some type. I suppose it would be Colt since both Smith and Rand were new to the ship or at least to the role of yeoman. I suppose Transporter Specialist Rand could work by way of foreshadowing. She was basically a technician.

I enjoy that they brought in new female characters but I lament that they did so at the expense of the existing ones. I have been impressed that they have done so well at expanding Chapel and Uhura that it makes it eo worse somehow that the yeomen were deemed superfluous, possibly by occupying the same space as Chapel in the TOS history I.e. pining for a male lead.

I would like to see a double doctor episode with Boyce or Piper. Maybe some fun with Riley or DeSalle. Ann Mulhall could be a bad ass. Maybe take over from Sam and tell us why she's also an engineer.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

why are we spoilering this?

Because it's such a sensitive issue. What's the "proper" word to use, and all that.

 

[BK613]

I don't know about devoting whole episodes to legacy characters but I wouldn't mind some cameos and Easter eggs. (I can think of one involving a 10-12 year-old Lenore doing in her first witness.)

 

[ananta]

They definitely mentioned a yeoman in one of the latest episodes of SNW. I actually think Rand would have been a better fit for SNW than, say, Chapel. We don’t know much about Rand but, unlike OG Chapel, Rand had a slightly feisty side which would have made her fit right in. I always liked Grace Lee Whitney and feel she deserved so so much better than what happened.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Rand is only like 15 years old at this point, isn't she?

 

[ichab]

They definitely mentioned a yeoman in one of the latest episodes of SNW. I actually think Rand would have been a better fit for SNW than, say, Chapel. We don’t know much about Rand but, unlike OG Chapel, Rand had a slightly feisty side which would have made her fit right in. I always liked Grace Lee Whitney and feel she deserved so so much better than what happened.

I agree. But her only function on TOS was to bring Kirk food and or a ledger for him to sign. It was frankly a demeaning part and not one that would be acceptable today. The actual role of a navy yeoman (administrative and clerical work) is pretty much filled by the other characters on the ship.

 

[El Maestro]

The distinction was being made between the in-universe character and the actress IRL, not between the terms “bisexual” and “queer”.

This trend (obsession?) with insisting that actors share the same identity characteristics as the characters they play and/or transferring aspects of an actor's identity to their characters will not lead to successful inclusive outcomes (which are noble goals!) that proponents expect it to.

 

[ananta]

Rand is only like 15 years old at this point, isn't she?

I don’t think so; I can’t see her being any younger than Uhura. In fact, I always thought she was around Kirk’s age. Maybe I was basing that on Ms Whitney’s age.

I agree. But her only function on TOS was to bring Kirk food and or a ledger for him to sign. It was frankly a demeaning part and not one that would be acceptable today. The actual role of a navy yeoman (administrative and clerical work) is pretty much filled by the other characters on the ship.

That’s why I think it would be cool to see them expand the part and flesh out the character a bit. Whitney brought a certain sass to the part even when the role was frankly a little demeaning in the way it was written. They could easily expand her role and function. When I rewatch TOS, which is almost annually, I always miss her when she disappears after the first half dozen episodes. I’d definitely be here for a Justice for Rand twist.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I can't imagine Yeoman Colt lasted long on the Enterprise after the events of The Cage.

For starters, things would have been extremely awkward between her, Pike, and Number One. And she was at the very bottom of the power structure of that particular triumvirate.

Given that both would have to go on working in close proximity with Pike, I could see an underlying, unspoken tension (and perhaps even antagonism) mounting quickly between Colt and Number One. Again, given that Number One probably has a large say in personnel assignments, Colt is going to find herself transferred off the ship during the very next starbase visit. And I could easily see all three of them breathing easier after the fact.

This is just one more example of why relationships between service members are a bad idea, although in this case it was forced on them by the Talosians. Still, thoughts were laid bare, and inner hearts exposed. It's not even inconceivable that Number One would have left the Enterprise not long after these events, SNW notwithstanding.

 

[Relayer1]

T'Pol, Phlox and a Dax.

 

[Unique]

This trend (obsession?) with insisting that actors share the same identity characteristics as the characters they play and/or transferring aspects of an actor's identity to their characters will not lead to successful inclusive outcomes (which are noble goals!) that proponents expect it to.

Agreed. And if that were an enforced norm think of the iconic characters we’d have missed out on, like NPH’s Barney Simpson, DHP’s Niles Crane, and so many, many others. The whole point of acting is to portray someone you’re not, so it makes no sense anyway.

 

[BK613]

I agree. But her only function on TOS was to bring Kirk food and or a ledger for him to sign. It was frankly a demeaning part and not one that would be acceptable today. The actual role of a navy yeoman (administrative and clerical work) is pretty much filled by the other characters on the ship.

I'll refer you to this post of mine where I describe the real world rating that handles the duties that a Star Trek yeoman handles:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/where-have-all-the-yeomen-gone.314343/page-4#post-14527777
the tl; dr of it is: The person in charge—on whose shoulders all the accountability and responsibility of the command rest—should not be distracted by his/her/their mundane chores.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I don’t think so; I can’t see her being any younger than Uhura. In fact, I always thought she was around Kirk’s age. Maybe I was basing that on Ms Whitney’s age.

It was pretty much a plot point in Miri that Rand was at the tail end of puberty regardless of how old the actress was and looked. They treated her as a teenager (which makes the near rape scene with split Kirk all the more creepy).

 

[Commander Troi]

It was pretty much a plot point in Miri that Rand was at the tail end of puberty regardless of how old the actress was and looked. They treated her as a teenager (which makes the near rape scene with split Kirk all the more creepy).

I rewatched Miri recently and didn't really see that. Could you elaborate on where you saw it?