Spoilers Legacy character announced for SNW
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This does rather seem like a rushed press release to cover all the flurry of activity and speculation around the recently leaked set pics.
We currently have precisely ZERO context for how this is going to work so I’ll reserve judgment until we actually get to see S2.
In the grand scheme of things, however, I would have much preferred that they leave Kirk well out of it for at least the first few years to focus on Pike … and, if they felt they just had to use the character, then it should have been a guest slot for something like a special two to three episode arc in, say, late S3. It would also have made more sense for him to be a lieutenant or at most a lieutenant commander.
Having Kirk appear as early as S2, and wearing full captain rank to boot, seems to show something of a lack of imagination. It all just feels too soon and rather unfair to SNW’s own characters. My gut feeling is that they really should have resisted the temptation to do this so early in the show’s run.
I’m only too happy to be corrected if this turns out to be some very clever story they have developed but I fear this is just a case of “oh, we need to bring in Captain Kirk…” rather than actually thinking about how to use the character in a more intelligent way.
The other thing those photos all show me is that the V-neck component of those uniform tops really should have been black rather than the same color as the rest of the tunic.
We currently have precisely ZERO context for how this is going to work so I’ll reserve judgment until we actually get to see S2.
In the grand scheme of things, however, I would have much preferred that they leave Kirk well out of it for at least the first few years to focus on Pike … and, if they felt they just had to use the character, then it should have been a guest slot for something like a special two to three episode arc in, say, late S3. It would also have made more sense for him to be a lieutenant or at most a lieutenant commander.
Having Kirk appear as early as S2, and wearing full captain rank to boot, seems to show something of a lack of imagination. It all just feels too soon and rather unfair to SNW’s own characters. My gut feeling is that they really should have resisted the temptation to do this so early in the show’s run.
I’m only too happy to be corrected if this turns out to be some very clever story they have developed but I fear this is just a case of “oh, we need to bring in Captain Kirk…” rather than actually thinking about how to use the character in a more intelligent way.
The other thing those photos all show me is that the V-neck component of those uniform tops really should have been black rather than the same color as the rest of the tunic.
He looks the part. But this happens sooner than expected.
This is a huge one!
Paul Wesley as...
KIRK confirmed!
Well...crap.
Well... At least he's hot.
This is going to be a LONG year.
I see different assignment badge emblems have returned... Although obviously the delta still represents both Starfleet as a whole, and the Enterprise. Always has. Well, apart from the instances where it didn't. 
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I'm usually pretty good at reserving judgment, but not gonna lie, I absolutely hate this idea. I mean, who knows, obviously I understand it might be great and I would love to be wrong, but it really dampens my SNW enthusiasm. I think this comment nails it...
This was always the maddening thing about Disco -- the prequel that had zero interest in being a prequel. It introduced such tension into the show, so many elements were working at cross-purposes and undercutting each other. Disco always wanted to be the most futuristic Trek we'd yet seen, and they made things a lot easier for themselves when they finally just went to the future. And the show became much more satisfying, because it was no longer trying to be so many different things at once that it failed at all of them.
One of the things that has me so optimistic about SNW is that the showrunners seemed excited about making a prequel. It's good news when the show the producers want to make matches the setup of the show they are actually making. Needing to rush Kirk on suggests they're not as happy in prequel-land as they seemed, which is an ominous sign.
The age also bumps for me. He's older than Shatner was when we first met Kirk. If it seems like he doesn't actually look it -- he absolutely does, this picture is just far enough back.
As I sat down to watch the Disco season 1 finale, these are the exact words I said to my viewing partner: "I can't wait to see how they end it! Just as long as it's not something stupid like 'they run into the Enterprise!'"
This was always the maddening thing about Disco -- the prequel that had zero interest in being a prequel. It introduced such tension into the show, so many elements were working at cross-purposes and undercutting each other. Disco always wanted to be the most futuristic Trek we'd yet seen, and they made things a lot easier for themselves when they finally just went to the future. And the show became much more satisfying, because it was no longer trying to be so many different things at once that it failed at all of them.
One of the things that has me so optimistic about SNW is that the showrunners seemed excited about making a prequel. It's good news when the show the producers want to make matches the setup of the show they are actually making. Needing to rush Kirk on suggests they're not as happy in prequel-land as they seemed, which is an ominous sign.
The age also bumps for me. He's older than Shatner was when we first met Kirk. If it seems like he doesn't actually look it -- he absolutely does, this picture is just far enough back.
As I sat down to watch the Disco season 1 finale, these are the exact words I said to my viewing partner: "I can't wait to see how they end it! Just as long as it's not something stupid like 'they run into the Enterprise!'"
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I see different assignment badge emblems have returned... Although obviously the delta still represents both Starfleet as a whole, and the Enterprise. Always has. Well, apart from the instances where it didn't.
Indeed. It isn’t. Apart from when it is. But officially it wasn’t (or shouldn’t have been) but it accidentally was. Then it hasn’t been but now maybe it is again.
Or something.
I don't know why that is, could be something to do with Covid restrictions messing up their original timetable so now it's kind of all crunched together? Or the studio just felt confident enough in the product from what they've seen to greenlight the second season right away.
Either way, I've yet to see anything in this very limited amount of material to give me any concern.
The actor is about 12 years older than Kirk would be at this time, but looks much younger than his age, so it works out.
Given that the show takes place in 2259 or 2260 there's a gap in Kirk's service record in that time to fill with new stories, and opportunities for promotion after the Farragut disaster where the surviving XO praised his bravery, and could have given him a field promotion to be the new XO since 200 of the crew, including the captain were dead.
Then he could have gotten his own command after that but before the Enterprise.
We know he didn't have much contact with Pike, but did meet him when he was promoted to Fleet Captain. That could be during a crisis that brings their crews together in the fleet Pike is commanding.
Under normal circumstances I would agree with you. But in this case - with the creative team behind the scenes involved - there is just a lot of baggage. There was real hype für SNW as being something familiar, but at its core new.
Kirk was supposed to be the one big ace up their sleeves. And they just couldn't resist the urge to show all their cards and go all in before the first minute had even aired. That just shows an alarming lack of restraint and confidence in their own creation.
Going back to Kirk is just like Star Wars not being able to let go of Luke Skywalker. It just screams desperation. And that's just not good publicity for something that's supposed to be "strange" and "new".
Kirk was supposed to be the one big ace up their sleeves. And they just couldn't resist the urge to show all their cards and go all in before the first minute had even aired. That just shows an alarming lack of restraint and confidence in their own creation.
Going back to Kirk is just like Star Wars not being able to let go of Luke Skywalker. It just screams desperation. And that's just not good publicity for something that's supposed to be "strange" and "new".
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Actor is 39? What the....
Kirk is 26 in 2359...
He's 2 years younger than Chris Pine. And he's been Kirk for 12 years!
4 years out of the Academy. At most. Lt comander. Comander if you really push it.
Only thought is that Starfleet does like the navy does and give commands of smaller ships to non captains. But that's like PT boats. Maybe a frigate.
Ugh...
Kirk is 26 in 2359...
He's 2 years younger than Chris Pine. And he's been Kirk for 12 years!
4 years out of the Academy. At most. Lt comander. Comander if you really push it.
Only thought is that Starfleet does like the navy does and give commands of smaller ships to non captains. But that's like PT boats. Maybe a frigate.
Ugh...
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Hi, newbie here
In the Menagerie Kirk says he met Pike when he was promoted to Fleet Captain, but does not say he never met him again. Also, Pike could be Fleet Captain and still have the Enterprise. Kirk could be on a Destroyer class ship under Pikes supervision. But don’t forget, Mendes says Pike is about the same age as Kirk, which is plainly not correct. We are hanging a lot on throwaway lines of dialogue from a show from a bygone era!
I look forward to seeing Kirk, but I would prefer to see him again in the much neglected Monster Maroon era.
Cheers
Gray
In the Menagerie Kirk says he met Pike when he was promoted to Fleet Captain, but does not say he never met him again. Also, Pike could be Fleet Captain and still have the Enterprise. Kirk could be on a Destroyer class ship under Pikes supervision. But don’t forget, Mendes says Pike is about the same age as Kirk, which is plainly not correct. We are hanging a lot on throwaway lines of dialogue from a show from a bygone era!
I look forward to seeing Kirk, but I would prefer to see him again in the much neglected Monster Maroon era.
Cheers
Gray
As much as my initial reaction to this is negative, it is also true that Burnham being Spock's sister sounded so stupid the first time I heard it, and ultimately I thought that story worked out fantastically.
Of course, there was the issue that it was a VERY prequel idea and did not mesh with many other elements of the show that wanted to be a sequel, so I guess from that angle it was still a problem. That's what I really hope SNW is not, another production with a totally schizophrenic attitude about it's own identity and place in the franchise. Disco season 4 has finally found a clear vision for what it wants to be and how to get there, hopefully SNW is not a step back.
On the plus side, it is encouraging that one of the things they have Kirk doing is making out on a snowy street with some relative of his arch nemesis. That's the right kind of idea... ridiculous in all the right ways.
Of course, there was the issue that it was a VERY prequel idea and did not mesh with many other elements of the show that wanted to be a sequel, so I guess from that angle it was still a problem. That's what I really hope SNW is not, another production with a totally schizophrenic attitude about it's own identity and place in the franchise. Disco season 4 has finally found a clear vision for what it wants to be and how to get there, hopefully SNW is not a step back.
On the plus side, it is encouraging that one of the things they have Kirk doing is making out on a snowy street with some relative of his arch nemesis. That's the right kind of idea... ridiculous in all the right ways.
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Well hopefully he'll be captain of another ship and just intersect with Enterprise for a few episodes, hell for all we know he might not even intersect with both Pike and Spock, maybe Spock gets reassigned to the Farragut or some other ship for a few episodes?
Ideally I want Mount to be the show's lead for a few years yet!
Ideally I want Mount to be the show's lead for a few years yet!
Honestly, I'm mostly surprised how Paramount handled this?
I know images got leaked, but wouldn't it be so much wiser to wait for people to be like, "who is he playing?" and Paramount to be like, "wouldn't you like to know"?
I know images got leaked, but wouldn't it be so much wiser to wait for people to be like, "who is he playing?" and Paramount to be like, "wouldn't you like to know"?
The smart wa to handle this would have been to give us a full trailer already before filming season 2.
Like - we know NOTHING about even episode 1! And now everybody is already talking about the replacement for the main character - the main draw to this show?
Double weird since they already released a trailer, and then tried to purge it from the internet and released a much shorter teaser with much less content of the actual show.
This is just bad PR, honestly. They should have hold back on Kirk until the show is firmly established. And acctually do the work of establishing this show to the public. Via their own marketing content - and be it just concept art (as MARVEL does before they actually start filming & stuff leaks). Instead of having to react to leaks.
I really don't know what's going on there behind the scenes - but judging by the results, that shit might be more interesting than the stories they actually put on screen!
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