Least favorite type of episode

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  1. PhotoBoy

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    My least favourite episode type is usually where they’re visiting a primitive culture that still lives in mud huts and doesn’t have any technology. Generally I want to see lots of spaceships, gadgets and technology.
     
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  2. at Quark's

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    I've often felt those to be the functional equivalent of holodeck episodes in the newer series, just an excuse to tell some story in a (pseudo-)historical setting.
     
  3. Sakonna

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    A episode setup I always hate is "will this series regular leave the show forever?". "Meridian" on DS9 might be the single worst Trek example, though TNG probably went to the well the most... it was always impossible to care "will Wesley get into the Academy this year?" or "will Riker leave for his own command?" Trip leaving forever to be chief engineer on some other ship for 2 weeks also stands out as particularly terrible.

    Though even this has worked on Trek occasionally... "Explorers" includes that great story of Jake getting into the prestigious writing school on earth, but choosing to stay on DS9. Lower Decks nailed it with the fight about the transfer to the Titan in their finale. It can be done!
     
  4. Mojochi

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    I'd say my least favorite type of TV episode is a clip show. It's almost always a lazy out for budgetary reasons, & there's very few options to make it a satisfying story

    Apart from that, I'm open to most any of the usual types that people complain about. Star Trek itself has a pretty bad record on episodes featuring kids. So they're among my least favorite, and I'll admit they also can swing the moral metaphor hammer a bit too hamfistedly now & then, but hey... not every episode is gonna be a winner. That doesn't mean the format or archetype is necessarily to blame
     
  5. IRW Bloodwing

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    DS9 made that a plot point late in the series.

    My least favorite episodes are those random ones that seem to just be filler in between bigger stories/arcs, like that TNG episode with the 200K Enterprises.
     
  6. IRW Bloodwing

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    When those work (Past Prologue [?]) they really work, and when they don't ("Let that Be Your Last Battlefield") they stink to high heaven.
     
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  7. Swedish Borg

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    I think John Colicos brought something unique and interesting in the episodes he was in, those are practically the only Klingon ones that I like to rewatch from time to time, with a particular fondness for "Once More Unto The Breach", his swan song.
     
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    1920s gangster episodes
    Nazi episodes
    Native American episodes
    Klingon episodes
    Crusher episodes
     
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    Romance of the week episodes.
     
  10. Redshirt214

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    Interesting... I tend to dislike "deaging" stories or stories centered around kids (who aren't the main characters) in TV and that is also true of Trek.

    "Disaster" I seem to remember actually liking the kids in that, probably because they were there to force some character growth in Picard, though admittedly I haven't watched that episode in eons. I quite like "Miri" as well.
     
  11. Redshirt214

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    I like that Star Trek does social commentary, I think that's what really makes it good science fiction. That said, anytime you take a stand on something, there's always the risk of it not being very good. Also, I think some of those things age poorly, since what's a topical insight now is a well duh, of course later on. That's good, your message resonated with the viewers and helped society grow, but it kinda ruins the rewatch potential.

    It's also very easy to bite off more than the show can chew, and try and tackle very complex issues in an over simplified way. You can only say so much in a single episode.
     
  12. Swedish Borg

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    I don't particularly care for the episodes that seem to be meant to teach us a moral or send a message. St has a tendency to be really bad at handling these.
     
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    The problem with Trek doing social commentary isn’t that they do it so much as they often force it in a really reductive way.

    When they do social commentary that just evolves naturally from a character driven story they sometimes do a good job. When they shine a spotlight on it and say “LOOK EVERYONE WE’RE DOING SOCIAL COMMENTARY” it’s usually awful.

    Kids stories aren’t inherently bad but the way TNG and Voyager often did them was usually bad. Because when they do, it usually meant having the entire B plot revolve around the child’s hurt feelings then contriving some threat to the ship on top of it. Children’s hurt feelings are just not interesting television and even less interesting when it‘s sanitized PG rated ‘Fixable in a week’ hurt feelings.

    When the child fits more naturally into the story like in Disaster or Bliss it’s fine.
     
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    There are some good holodeck episodes - but, far too often, such episodes seem to be little more than an excuse for dressing up in different togs. Almost as though they were “time off” from science fiction.

    And the preachy self-righteousnessness of parts of TNG in particular can be rather tedious.
     
  15. Izzy Moonbow

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    Evil twin/possessed character/doppleganger episodes. I despise them.
     
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    Reminds me of that old comic where Data stands looking surprised at Lore, who is doing his evil MWUHAHAH cackle, and Picard wondering in the background how the hell they are supposed to tell these two apart.
     
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  17. Nyotarules

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    Episodes where the Prime Directive policy is 'sit back and watch people die and feel righteous afterwards'
     
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  18. Izzy Moonbow

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    Yeah, to me they're just super lazy episodes, plus I have this thing about imposter syndrome, so watching episodes where someone desperately tries to prove they're really themselves just rubs me the wrong way.
     
  19. TheAdmiralty

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    There was like a grand total of three episodes where he said things other than "aye sir"
     
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  20. Izzy Moonbow

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    There was definitely not enough Mayweather in my rewatch. What little I saw of him I liked, and it was a shame that he, Hoshi, and Malcolm were just underused, especially him and Malcolm.
     
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