Latter Day Saints Question

[Augustus]

well it has to do with deeper LDS theological doctrine. This is not the right place to discuss, but basically, alone, unsealed in heaven, you can not continue in your learning and progression. Neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man.

 

[Magisterfrodo]

Interesting. Why is that? How does an eternal partner help you progress spiritually, since such is not the case on earth? Not that a spouse can't be a positive influence on your spiritual development, but it's not a requirement is what I mean.

Why isn't this the right place to discuss? I thought you could discuss pretty much anything in the Miscellaneous forum so long as it kept civil.

 

[Venardhi]

You need a spirit wife to have spirit kids with for sending down to the planet God lets you make (and become God of) if you're really good.

For the record, any percieved snark is out of love. I was raised Mormon and for the most part respect the members of the church, if not all the dogma they push.

 

[Magisterfrodo]

I thought Mormonism has shifted their belief in polygamy to simply a state of affairs in the afterlife, meaning that a man could aquire other wives in heaven to produce spirit children. Am I confused about that?

 

[Augustus]

I don't know about polygamy in the after life. The reason I say that this is not the right place is, when i have talked about this kind of stuff before, it usually gets ugly, which it has not so far.

But a spouse, as we understand the doctrine is essential to progression, both here and in the next life. I don't know how it all works, but it seems to me that God intended his children to marry, form family units. I can gather from that that having families or being in families are an important part of existing with God after this life.

 

[Augustus]

By the way, there are a lot of "raised mormons" on this board... pretty interesting.

 

[RedFenix]

By the way, there are a lot of "raised mormons" on this board... pretty interesting.

Another Mormon-turned-atheist right here.

My parents and brother are still very devout, though.

 

[J.T.B.]

By the way, there are a lot of "raised mormons" on this board... pretty interesting.

Another Mormon-turned-atheist right here.

And another here. As a descendant of one of Brigham Young's apostles and many original settlers of southern Utah, I kind of feel like a "non-LDS Mormon," if that makes any sense.

--Justin

 

[Augustus]

Well, y'all are very well represented here...

 

[Magisterfrodo]

I don't know about polygamy in the after life. The reason I say that this is not the right place is, when i have talked about this kind of stuff before, it usually gets ugly, which it has not so far.

But a spouse, as we understand the doctrine is essential to progression, both here and in the next life. I don't know how it all works, but it seems to me that God intended his children to marry, form family units. I can gather from that that having families or being in families are an important part of existing with God after this life.

No doubt families are an important part of God's plan, but how do Mormons reconcile their views with Paul's stataments in I Corinthians 7 about it being even better to remain single so that you can serve God fully without having to divide your time taking care of a family? Do Mormons view Paul's spiritual status as being stunted since he was single?

Also, do Mormons believe Jesus was married?

 

[kitkat]

I have a question. I know it'll be a touch away from the original posted topic but I think still relevant. Without it being a big religious debate, I've wondered something....

First, I was raised Christian (Presbyterian) so I really don't know. What is the base of the Mormon beliefs? Do they believe that Jesus Christ was our savior? Or do they believe something else entirely?

 

[Plecostomus]

I have a question. I know it'll be a touch away from the original posted topic but I think still relevant. Without it being a big religious debate, I've wondered something....

First, I was raised Christian (Presbyterian) so I really don't know. What is the base of the Mormon beliefs? Do they believe that Jesus Christ was our savior? Or do they believe something else entirely?

The name of our church gives it away: The Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints.

In a nutshell, He died on the cross, came back and continued his works in what we understand to be the Americas.

I live down the road from Palmyra, where some of what takes place in the Book Of Mormon took place (Hill Cumorah) and according to Joesph Smith's testimony both God and Christ (two separate beings!) descended from Heaven to speak with him here.

 

[kitkat]

I have a question. I know it'll be a touch away from the original posted topic but I think still relevant. Without it being a big religious debate, I've wondered something....

First, I was raised Christian (Presbyterian) so I really don't know. What is the base of the Mormon beliefs? Do they believe that Jesus Christ was our savior? Or do they believe something else entirely?

The name of our church gives it away: The Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints.

In a nutshell, He died on the cross, came back and continued his works in what we understand to be the Americas.

I live down the road from Palmyra, where some of what takes place in the Book Of Mormon took place (Hill Cumorah) and according to Joesph Smith's testimony both God and Christ (two separate beings!) descended from Heaven to speak with him here.

OK. Cool. Thanks for the response. My dad actually worked for a Mormon family for a while and, of course, I knew them and everything, I just never asked them about their beliefs.

 

[Augustus]

I don't know about polygamy in the after life. The reason I say that this is not the right place is, when i have talked about this kind of stuff before, it usually gets ugly, which it has not so far.

But a spouse, as we understand the doctrine is essential to progression, both here and in the next life. I don't know how it all works, but it seems to me that God intended his children to marry, form family units. I can gather from that that having families or being in families are an important part of existing with God after this life.

No doubt families are an important part of God's plan, but how do Mormons reconcile their views with Paul's stataments in I Corinthians 7 about it being even better to remain single so that you can serve God fully without having to divide your time taking care of a family? Do Mormons view Paul's spiritual status as being stunted since he was single?

Also, do Mormons believe Jesus was married?

that chapter is always something that I thought strange. I have never heard any official statement on the chapter, but two things stand out: 1) he begins the chapter by saying " But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment." in other words, this isn't doctrine.

2)A key latter-day saint belief is in modern revelation, in other words that modern-day prophets are more important to us than the ones of old, because the world changes, the challenges and questions change and so the direction from the Lord is sometimes different in different times and eras. Now our prophet today doesn't preach anything different but small interpretations or "quasi-teachings" such as these are certainly superseded by modern day revelation.

I have a question. I know it'll be a touch away from the original posted topic but I think still relevant. Without it being a big religious debate, I've wondered something....

First, I was raised Christian (Presbyterian) so I really don't know. What is the base of the Mormon beliefs? Do they believe that Jesus Christ was our savior? Or do they believe something else entirely?

The other poster said it great, we are Christians, but not catholics nor protestants. We believe we are a restoration of Christ's church that went into apostasy after the death of the apostles.
Joseph Smith, from Palmyra, NY, who organized the church in 1830, is the first prophet of these days.

 

[Plecostomus]

It always surprises me how many people ask me if we believe in Christ.

 

[kitkat]

It always surprises me how many people ask me if we believe in Christ.

I actually was pretty sure that y'all did, the Mormon church always decorates for Christmas in the town where I grew up so through deductive reasoning I got that. I just wasn't sure what else your basis belief system entailed.

 

[Plecostomus]

It always surprises me how many people ask me if we believe in Christ.

I actually was pretty sure that y'all did, the Mormon church always decorates for Christmas in the town where I grew up so through deductive reasoning I got that. I just wasn't sure what else your basis belief system entailed.

1) Ingestion of huge quantities of bacon daily
2) Enormous amounts of meaningless casual sex
3) We worship the dollar, the stock and the holy bond.
4) Size matters. The bigger your house or car the better. God won't accept renters who drive Geo Metros into His Kingdom.

...kidding.

The key to LDS/Mormon beliefs is latter day revelation as other posters have said. Think of The Book Of Mormon as a Service Pack for the Bible if it helps... By itself the Bible is a good work and it provides essential guidance but the Book Of Mormon gives you the rest of the story and through the works of latter day prophets allows us to undersand how the word applies to modern times.

I'm not the most "Mormon of Mormons" others on here are obviously more "down with it" than I am, I've been a lifelong member though and while not as active anymore I do try to keep my hand in and keep up with the going ons.

 

[ancientone51]

Do not mean to disrespect anyone's beliefs, but the original question caused me to remember an episode of "Topper" on TV. (Yes, I am that old.)

George and Marion, the two ghosts who visited and playfully drove Cosmo Topper nuts were arguing and got to the ...you're my wife...you're my husband stage of the argument and George said, "Hey, our vows were, Til death do us part...that means were aren't married...there's that cute little red-head..."
at which point Marion bopped him one and they faded out of Toppers view.
Marion cried on Topper's shoulder for awhile til George came around and all was well.

Again, no disrespect, the discussion just brought up pleasant memories.
Sorry to have taken a very enlightening discussion so far off topic.

 

[the Dagman]

By the way, there are a lot of "raised mormons" on this board... pretty interesting.

Another Mormon-turned-atheist right here.

And another here. As a descendant of one of Brigham Young's apostles and many original settlers of southern Utah, I kind of feel like a "non-LDS Mormon," if that makes any sense.

--Justin

And another here. My grandmother was in the Daughters of the Pioneers, a group that can trace their ancestry back to the journey to and founding of Utah. However, I have had my membership officially wiped from the records about two years ago after walking away from the church in my teen years. Why? In my ward, all I saw was hypocrite after hypocrite, and then I looked in the mirror and saw that I was becoming a hypocrite too. I remember saying to myself "Just who do you think you are fooling?" as I stood in the church's back men's room looking in the mirror at myself wearing my Sunday jacket and tie with about a half dozen doobies stuck in my pocket, and sucking empty a can of Coke that I had snuck in. I decided then and there that I needed to be true to myself, to who I am. If I didn't really believe, and if I couldn't follow the rules, I had no business being there. I couldn't just lie and ignore my breaking the rules like everyone else I saw there. I left the church then, and never really looked back. Although I did return once for the first wedding of one of my best friends (he's on wife #3 now, but just one at a time, not a polygamist).

And on topic to the OP, my grandmother was married and sealed to another man before the one that was my grandfather. It took a lot of work on her part, but she finally managed to get unsealed to her first husband shortly before her death in 1975.

 

[Augustus]

Wow, I am sorry that you and others had unfortunate experiences with other members of the church.
When ever I come across hypocrisy, I try to remember 2 things.
1) The church is not for perfect people, but repentant people
2) My salvation is not dependent upon whether or not someone else is living the commandments.

I think it helps to deal with what has been said here.