I have the Krampus story from Ravenous 2 - and thus the rest of Ravenous 2 - on deck next. And my vinyl copy of the Chimes of Midnight is sitting right there...
Last Doctor Who Story you listened to?
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I can't be the only one who wished it would get adapted for TV?
No, you're not, but after the two 2-parters Rise of the Cybermen (which was said at the time to be based on Spare Parts; Marc Platt received a credit) and World Enough and Time (probably closer in tone and plot), I seriously doubt that a Spare Parts adaption would happen.
Yeah, because of those two stories, I actually don't want them to properly adapt it. Leave Spare Parts where it is where it's phenomenal on its own.
There are very few Big Finish stories that I do wish they were animated. Spare Parts is one of them. Its so good that transcends its medium.
Between it, Jubilee and Chimes at Midnight you have the reason Big Finish exists today, and rightly so.
Between it, Jubilee and Chimes at Midnight you have the reason Big Finish exists today, and rightly so.
I just read that Jubilee apparently inspired/became Dalek. That was mildly interesting, then I realized that everything great about Dalek literally couldn't have come from that story (specifically the interactions between the 9th Doctor and the titular Dalek), and the less good parts (the human collector) were probably what came from the BF fanfic. The show also didn't have the worst non-canon companion Big Finish ever created in it, so another point for Dalek.
The audio story was moe of a commentary on the way the Daleks were used in the story as both for merchadising and as the terrifying creatures they should more often be.
And I think you are just baiting by now for arguments with the non-canon remarks. Clearly. Here's my challenge: Unless you can find a clear definition of canon for Doctor Who (what is and isn't, basically, canonical), never refer to canonicity in regards to this particular franchise.
And I think you are just baiting by now for arguments with the non-canon remarks. Clearly. Here's my challenge: Unless you can find a clear definition of canon for Doctor Who (what is and isn't, basically, canonical), never refer to canonicity in regards to this particular franchise.
Dalek is essentially an adaptation of the first episode of Jubilee and then it becomes a completely different show. That material accounts for maybe the first... 7-10 minutes of Dalek. Evelyn has almost exactly the same interaction with the Dalek as Rose does, only the handprint doesn’t happen. And of course they traded a theological metaphor for a corporation.
I think Spare Parts was intended to be a more direct adaptation - just set on the alternate world and not Mondas- and then rewriting got us to where the episode ultimately went.
I think Spare Parts was intended to be a more direct adaptation - just set on the alternate world and not Mondas- and then rewriting got us to where the episode ultimately went.
Dalek is still a pretty great story by Rob Shearman, who is essentially Robert Holmes' heir in terms of consistently writing great DW scripts that are also funny. I genuinely think he should return to Who one day.
IOW it was a fuckup from the get-go.
I legitimately can't really parse what this means (was there dalek merchandising in the audio story?), but it seems like its even less connected then they implied. So, its nice to know that deception is one of the tools that BF uses to try to sell their fanfiction. But hey, anything that gives the old Doctors a little spending money is fine with me, if only the BF fans would take it for what it is I wouldn't be bothered by it at all.
The canon comment was just to point out that Boring Smithe (yes, I'm spelling her last name wrong on purpose, because fuck her) is the worst of the non-Canon companions in my opinion (meaning companions like Shit Penguin, Charlie, the dumb one that traveled with the 6th to meet Jago & Litefoot but I can't remember anything else about, etc), not to start an already long settled argument about canon (settled as in we know each others opinions, of which mine is supported by pretty much everything the TV show has ever done except for some shitty name dropping in a web short). If its not on TV, it isn't canon unless the BBc specifically says it is. Big Finish is licensed fanfiction. Pretty much no one would seriously argue that the Cushing films are canon, or the really old comics that gave the 1st Doctor two grandchildren who weren't Susan were canon. Its the same with BF stuff, except BF is generally of lower quality then those movies/ancient comics in my opinion.
I have no desire to argue about canon with Big Finish fans, its like arguing with a Flat Earther. Its pointless and will lead nowhere.
OK, you just have to start respecting other people's tastes and beliefs. We get it, you don't consider BF as part of your canon. But your insitence that it isn't despite any official declaring is annoying, and its tempting me to block you.
Also, equating discussing Big Finish stories with flat Earthers? Really? What the heck, dude?
Also, equating discussing Big Finish stories with flat Earthers? Really? What the heck, dude?
The BBC's official position is and always has been that the is no Doctor Who canon, including the TV series. No official canon whatsoever. Actually, they did technically oopsie into making their video game Doctor Who: The Adventure Games the only official piece of Doctor Who canon due to the wording in their press releases. It's become a major punchline in the Doctor Who fandom whenever someone like yourself tries in vain to push back against the fact that a lack of an official canon makes everything completely equal canon-wise.
Or, as it's frequently put, "Only The Adventure Games are canon. Everything else is fan fiction."
So Kirk, you have just one video game as your "official canon" specifically stated by the BBC. Enjoy. The rest of us have the "fan fiction" TV series, audio plays, novels and comics to play with. Is that pedantic enough for ya?
EDIT: Also, you're arguing about canon in relation to a franchise which out-of-universe has enabled an infinite recasting of the lead role and infinite changing of the main creative force plus has a system where each individual serial/episode writer not only can (more or less) write their own version of Doctor Who away from any showrunner or writers room influence, but also for decades allowed them to then keep sole ownership of any characters or concepts that they created. Which they were then free to legally use in any spin-off media of their own as long as they didn't use anyone else's creations. Unless they were friends with those creations' writers and got their permission to use them, which they totally did.
And a franchise which in-universe centers around an individual that's spent 1,000+ years altering the timeline, involves two other individuals that travel the universe altering the timeline (The Master and The Meddling Monk), at least two races that have weaponized time travel (The Time Lords and the Daleks), plus the Time Agency, the Weeping Angels and a host of other random users of time travel.
For God's sake, the reason Russell T Davies called his time war The Last Great Time War is because it was preceded both in-universe and out-of-universe by Alan Moore's Time War from the comics and Lawrence Miles' Time War from the novels and his spin-off series Faction Paradox. Time been re-written so freaking much that this entire discussion is rather moot, isn't it? It all happened. Anything that doesn't fit is because a time war (any or all of them) did it.
Enjoy your canon video game.
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Next you'll be telling us the animated episode reconstructions aren't canon.
So, since last posting I listened to a bunch of Big Finish audios. Jubilee and Doctor Who and the Pirates were both very enjoyable and really have done a lot to elevate my opinion of the Sixth Doctor. I was a bit afraid that I'd not enjoy Jubilee all that much since I already know and love "Dalek", but it turned out to have a lot more to offer than "Dalek" (which is unsurprising, considering the length of the two stories). I found the van Statten like character to be particularly well done, much better and more interesting than in the episode. As for Doctor Who and the Pirates, the second half really surprised me, but in a very good way.
I started listening to Project: Lazarus but it turned out to be a continuation of Project: Twilight which I either haven't listened to or entirely forgotten about, so I'll (re-)listen that one first.
Next I listened to Storm Warnings with the Eight Doctor which I didn't like nearly as much as the Sixth Doctor stories (funnily enough I much prefer the 1996 movie to the Sixth Doctor's seasons). I guess it was fine, but not particularly gripping or anything.
Because I found the concept very intriguing I got myself the two volumes of Classic Doctors, New Monsters. First I've listened to Night of the Vashta Nerada with the Fourth Doctor. While I was a bit concerned about how scary the aliens whose defining scary feature was giving you a second shadow were going to be in a non-visual format. I was positively surprised by the end result, however. They wisely decided to introduce the actual aliens relatively late into the story, so we got more build-up, which sufficiently creeped me out. I think I really underestimated how creepy the basic idea of the Vashta Nerada is, with them being on most planets with wood and just consuming vermin, even if you don't have the visual elements the slow realisations of the characters concerning their nature and how they've started to enjoy consuming humans was very well done. Tom Baker is definitely a stand-out, I totally see why people love him. The Doctor is rather different from the Doctors in the other audio stories I've recently listened to and I find the change very refreshing.
I also already listened to the next story, Empire of the Racnoss, featuring the Fifth Doctor and the Racnoss (duh). This one was the first Fifth Doctor audio story I listened to and I'm not sure how I feel about him. Maybe I'm biased because I wasn't all that fond of his TV adventures (but then again that also applied to the Sixth Doctor and look at me praising him now...) but I just don't find him to be particularly exciting. The overall story was fine, seeing early Gallifreyan wars was interesting, but the Racnoss voices were very hard on the ears, which may have been intentional. All in all it was just kinda okay.
Having recently finished Classic Who I bought and listened to Thin Ice which "adapted" the first episode of the unmade season 27. While I think this one had some highlights (mainly the interactions between Ace and the Doctor and Ace and the Ice Warriors) it was rather meh, all things considered. Better than Storm Warnings, but still not as good as the Sixth Doctor and Evelyn adventures.
Next up I have the Judoon story in Classic Doctors, New Monsters, the next season 27 story, the Eigth Doctor story Sword of Orion or the Sixth Doctor story Project: Twilight. Not sure on the order I want to listen to them, though.
I started listening to Project: Lazarus but it turned out to be a continuation of Project: Twilight which I either haven't listened to or entirely forgotten about, so I'll (re-)listen that one first.
Next I listened to Storm Warnings with the Eight Doctor which I didn't like nearly as much as the Sixth Doctor stories (funnily enough I much prefer the 1996 movie to the Sixth Doctor's seasons). I guess it was fine, but not particularly gripping or anything.
Because I found the concept very intriguing I got myself the two volumes of Classic Doctors, New Monsters. First I've listened to Night of the Vashta Nerada with the Fourth Doctor. While I was a bit concerned about how scary the aliens whose defining scary feature was giving you a second shadow were going to be in a non-visual format. I was positively surprised by the end result, however. They wisely decided to introduce the actual aliens relatively late into the story, so we got more build-up, which sufficiently creeped me out. I think I really underestimated how creepy the basic idea of the Vashta Nerada is, with them being on most planets with wood and just consuming vermin, even if you don't have the visual elements the slow realisations of the characters concerning their nature and how they've started to enjoy consuming humans was very well done. Tom Baker is definitely a stand-out, I totally see why people love him. The Doctor is rather different from the Doctors in the other audio stories I've recently listened to and I find the change very refreshing.
I also already listened to the next story, Empire of the Racnoss, featuring the Fifth Doctor and the Racnoss (duh). This one was the first Fifth Doctor audio story I listened to and I'm not sure how I feel about him. Maybe I'm biased because I wasn't all that fond of his TV adventures (but then again that also applied to the Sixth Doctor and look at me praising him now...) but I just don't find him to be particularly exciting. The overall story was fine, seeing early Gallifreyan wars was interesting, but the Racnoss voices were very hard on the ears, which may have been intentional. All in all it was just kinda okay.
Having recently finished Classic Who I bought and listened to Thin Ice which "adapted" the first episode of the unmade season 27. While I think this one had some highlights (mainly the interactions between Ace and the Doctor and Ace and the Ice Warriors) it was rather meh, all things considered. Better than Storm Warnings, but still not as good as the Sixth Doctor and Evelyn adventures.
Next up I have the Judoon story in Classic Doctors, New Monsters, the next season 27 story, the Eigth Doctor story Sword of Orion or the Sixth Doctor story Project: Twilight. Not sure on the order I want to listen to them, though.
That's good to hear. Are there any particular highlights you'd recommend?
Spare Parts. If you want a story that plays like the CD has been set to shuffle, Creatures of Beauty.
Or for mindf—-, Omega.
Particularly the last two sound very interesting
Seems like they're both on Spotify, so I'll listen to Creatures of Beauty next. Thanks!
Yeah, Spare Parts is a definite must. Is basically, Genesis of the Cybermen.
