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Last Classic Who Story you watched

On blu-ray:

Terror of the Zygons - definitely is UNIT's final great after a bunch of duds, and of what we see of UNIT after that, only one (Battlefield) is any good.

The Android Invasion - a poor copy of "Zygons", a more than decade before "Silver Nemesis" copied "Remembrance of the Daleks".

Season 13's restoration and upscaling methods don't seem to be as good as previous seasons, if anything the 16mm film sequences look like they were overly smoothed then digital noise added to have them blend in with the videotape look more.
 
I decided to get back to work on Classic Who today, since I've already watched The Time Warrior I decided to jump over it and watched the first episode of The Invasion of the Dinosaurs. It got off the a good start, the whole thing with evacuated London was kinda creepy, and it was a little scary how casual the general, or whatever he was, was about shooting looters. I'm a little confused by why the Brigadier was referring to dinosaurs as "monsters" when it was pretty clear what they were. I would have assumed even back most people would have been able to recognize dinosaurs. I know it said on the Tardis Wiki that the called this episode only The Invasion instead of The Invasion of the Dinosaurs Episode 1, so was that also part of that?
That seems to be a 'dead granny'. As overseas sales moved to colour tapes, b&w telerecordings stopped during Dinos. Barry Letts was unhappy, so let it be wiped fast. But as BBC Wales ran season 11 on Monday they were sent the tapes and kept most of them.
 
I watched episode 2 of Invasion of the Dinosaurs this morning, and it was a lot of fun. I'm a little disappoint the description on Prime/Britbox the reveal that Mike Yates was working for the bad guys, it would have been a huge shock if I hadn't know about it before hand.
I'm curious what exactly the scientists are up to, and what this "golden age" or whatever it is that they have planned is. And I'm also curious if the general is part of their plot and that's why he's being an ass, or if he's just an ass, right now it's kinda 50/50.
 
"Terror of the Vervoids" (blu-ray special edition reworked as an independent story without the underlying Trial)

The 5.1 audio remix is superb, especially for the opening theme music but is given the deft handling worthy of the series.

The acting is really good all around, though I wish some characters - like Professor Lasky - had more to do. Still, each character gets some gems of dialogue.

Some alleged nitpick issues might be deliberate as, along with their hoping to get audiences to not run to the thesaurus, they were probably wanting to get audiences to think of possibilities out the (tv) box just a little:

1. The security guard who tells Mel how she is needed until-- (then he is electrified and dies) definitely implies he may have been in league with Security Chief Rudge.​
2. Cabin six and cabin nine do not share the same key. Lasky believed to be in cabin six and the door easily could have been opened so she didn't think twice. If it were locked, the key would have not worked and then would have realized that nine was her lucky number.​

"Vianesium" is related to "Magnesum", solely for the sake of greater oxygen brightness to accelerate the Vervoid lifespan. Otherwise, the bulk of real science issues are based in real life science and extrapolated upon.

Except for the black hole, but I'm rolling with that one. The story is otherwise too well done, increasing in the scope and threat of the Vervoids and how it is a true impasse given how the Vervoids outright say "animalkind" and, to ensure anyone snoozing during the airing of the story could be caught up to speed, they show Lasky trying to make besties in hopes she will be spared because she created them and, go figure, they promptly kill her to add her into the "animal compost heap". This story also creatively plays with the tropes associated with gardening.

The original version is indeed watchable, but this blu-ray edit is nothing less than spectacular.
 
"Terror of the Vervoids" (blu-ray special edition reworked as an independent story without the underlying Trial)

The original version is indeed watchable, but this blu-ray edit is nothing less than spectacular.
I always thought this was one of the better 6th Doctor stories and generally underrated. I agree with you that it pretty good! I think it's main problem is that visually it is pretty awful. However, I don't generally consider that as a relevant criterion for the classic series in general. But I do think this one was particularly not good visually. However, if you can get past that, it's a really good story!

I haven't seen that Blu Ray edit. I'll need to check that out! I do have the Blu Ray but I must've skipped that.
 
I always thought this was one of the better 6th Doctor stories and generally underrated. I agree with you that it pretty good! I think it's main problem is that visually it is pretty awful. However, I don't generally consider that as a relevant criterion for the classic series in general. But I do think this one was particularly not good visually. However, if you can get past that, it's a really good story!

"Mid-80s overload" definitely did not help. Even the doors have a recurring triangular theme that definitely are of their time. While 60s and 70s Who had various aspects of the decades in which they were made*, the 80s upped the ante to varying extents and, as JNT the producer loved modernizing the show so it wouldn't look dated**, he did go even farther. Season 24 manages to be far worse with set and costume designs as well, so I'm just glad this got made during season 23 and it's the one story that made me glad for the hiatus as this is easily the best story of the four, with "Mindwarp" succeeding more for its direction and buildup of threat/suspense of a story (even though it was too soon to have Peri hype up the Doctor being good with season 22 remaining on the minds of some viewers and only 4 episodes that showed a more refined Doctor... "Vervoids" definitely gets Six down perfect, even if I missed some of the more acerbic and potentially caustic nature of his character.)

* such as groovy hairdos, groovy costumes (but the show being in black and white only showed groovy patterns without groovy colors), 70s sport jackets made from recycled sofa fabric with beige yet gauche tartan patterns that would have inspired the 6th Doctor's coat to be the antimatter universe's equivalent of... the coat grew on me, though. It's iconic, but ironic that it looked better on McCoy! (Color theory class/color wheel prevailing, of course.)​
** the irony is, extensive overload of then-topical patterns and looks made it date far faster than what preceded it and not even the 80sest of the 80s went to such goofy extremes. Sheesh, even that Atari 7800 commercial with kids dressed up to look like full grown adults twice their age wasn't as tacky...​

Overlook the Vervoids' design being the most unintentionally camp***, and thankfully they're sparingly used for the most part, and there's enough of the surrounding plot and characters to make it work. I think the Vervoid design was meant to show a flower bud but it, um, doesn't quite, eh, work as intended... nor does it help when you get the then-latest issue of DWM sporting said head in 35mm detail quality on glossy, glorious A4-sized cover and then people stare and wonder what the hell the magazine is for if it's got a dirty picture in plain view with no blue cellophane hiding the good parts, zoiks!!! (Actually, rude or otherwise, the costume does manage to look more expensive than it should. Yet it looks like any number of things you'd sit through during Biology class during Anatomical Design week...) I'm just glad they didn't do fourth wall breaks back then.

*** Which is preferable to intentional campiness, unless it involves characters such as Mrs Slocombe, Captain Peakcock, Mr Humphires and in the distinct genre of comedy (subcategory: farce). YMMV, but sci-fi taking itself seriously makes it better, especially for parody. Sci-fi shows that integrate self-parody consciously just come off as bizarre, with making actual parody of them far easier to do, like this:​

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Unless it's sci-fi parody like "Red Dwarf", which somehow nails every aspect across the board. Same with "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", but the Dwarfers are more fun. :D

I haven't seen that Blu Ray edit. I'll need to check that out! I do have the Blu Ray but I must've skipped that.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: You're in for a treat then!

Yeah, both the original and special cuts are on the same disc and it's buried in one of the menus requiring an extra keypad press. :\
 
"Mid-80s overload" definitely did not help. Even the doors have a recurring triangular theme that definitely are of their time. While 60s and 70s Who had various aspects of the decades in which they were made*, the 80s upped the ante to varying extents and, as JNT the producer loved modernizing the show so it wouldn't look dated**, he did go even farther. Season 24 manages to be far worse with set and costume designs as well, so I'm just glad this got made during season 23 and it's the one story that made me glad for the hiatus as this is easily the best story of the four, with "Mindwarp" succeeding more for its direction and buildup of threat/suspense of a story (even though it was too soon to have Peri hype up the Doctor being good with season 22 remaining on the minds of some viewers and only 4 episodes that showed a more refined Doctor... "Vervoids" definitely gets Six down perfect, even if I missed some of the more acerbic and potentially caustic nature of his character.)

* such as groovy hairdos, groovy costumes (but the show being in black and white only showed groovy patterns without groovy colors), 70s sport jackets made from recycled sofa fabric with beige yet gauche tartan patterns that would have inspired the 6th Doctor's coat to be the antimatter universe's equivalent of... the coat grew on me, though. It's iconic, but ironic that it looked better on McCoy! (Color theory class/color wheel prevailing, of course.)​
** the irony is, extensive overload of then-topical patterns and looks made it date far faster than what preceded it and not even the 80sest of the 80s went to such goofy extremes. Sheesh, even that Atari 7800 commercial with kids dressed up to look like full grown adults twice their age wasn't as tacky...​

Overlook the Vervoids' design being the most unintentionally camp***, and thankfully they're sparingly used for the most part, and there's enough of the surrounding plot and characters to make it work. I think the Vervoid design was meant to show a flower bud but it, um, doesn't quite, eh, work as intended... nor does it help when you get the then-latest issue of DWM sporting said head in 35mm detail quality on glossy, glorious A4-sized cover and then people stare and wonder what the hell the magazine is for if it's got a dirty picture in plain view with no blue cellophane hiding the good parts, zoiks!!! (Actually, rude or otherwise, the costume does manage to look more expensive than it should. Yet it looks like any number of things you'd sit through during Biology class during Anatomical Design week...) I'm just glad they didn't do fourth wall breaks back then.

*** Which is preferable to intentional campiness, unless it involves characters such as Mrs Slocombe, Captain Peakcock, Mr Humphires and in the distinct genre of comedy (subcategory: farce). YMMV, but sci-fi taking itself seriously makes it better, especially for parody. Sci-fi shows that integrate self-parody consciously just come off as bizarre, with making actual parody of them far easier to do, like this:​

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Unless it's sci-fi parody like "Red Dwarf", which somehow nails every aspect across the board. Same with "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", but the Dwarfers are more fun. :D



:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: You're in for a treat then!

Yeah, both the original and special cuts are on the same disc and it's buried in one of the menus requiring an extra keypad press. :\
We're the same page about a lot of stuff! Down to even the Dwarfers being more fun! :techman:
 
I finished up Invasion of the Dinosaurs a little while ago, and it was really good. The bad guys plot made sense, and everything they did seemed to fit into it pretty well. It took some pretty nice twists and turns with things like Yates betrayal and the not a starship.
 
YouTube put up "The Krotons" earlier today, so I gawked. Not much restoration work was done as there were some visible scratches and a couple dropped audio cues. Audio otherwise sounded solid, so some work had to have been done (this could be the print used for the DVD release.)

It's a fun jaunt of a story that holds up fairly well, especially for it being Robert Holmes' first story.

It's also a lovely chemistry lesson for the kids, too.
 
Terror of the Vervoids

I haven't watched this one since the "Trial of a Timelord" DVD box set release.

The Doctor on an exercise bike? Carrot juice? I feel like it's an infomercial for those juicers that Jay Kordich advertised on TV in the early 90s. Mel's jump rope workout? Those 'exercise headphones' and the whole 'gym' set was painful to see. It's the 30th century, and the best equipment onboard the ship is all mechanical? No electric treadmill? At least they had a heart rate monitor. Honor Blackman in a sweatsuit?

The passenger cabin sets looked like they were made of cardboard. The security guard guns were just upside down staplers or something. The white wicker furniture in the lounge. The serial just looks cheap.

The climax of the story was pretty good, though.

Poor Mel does scream a lot. The dialog is great, and the characters are pretty good, though.

TL;DR: Cheap sets, cheap props, great dialog, good characters.
 
I watched the first episode of Death to The Daleks today, and it's off to a good start. The mysteries around the planet are interesting, the Exxilons are mysterious and creepy, and the Daleks showing up at the end, while not a shock given the title, are still a nice little complication.
 
Terror of the Vervoids

I haven't watched this one since the "Trial of a Timelord" DVD box set release.

The Doctor on an exercise bike? Carrot juice? I feel like it's an infomercial for those juicers that Jay Kordich advertised on TV in the early 90s. Mel's jump rope workout? Those 'exercise headphones' and the whole 'gym' set was painful to see. It's the 30th century, and the best equipment onboard the ship is all mechanical? No electric treadmill? At least they had a heart rate monitor. Honor Blackman in a sweatsuit?

The passenger cabin sets looked like they were made of cardboard. The security guard guns were just upside down staplers or something. The white wicker furniture in the lounge. The serial just looks cheap.

The climax of the story was pretty good, though.

Poor Mel does scream a lot. The dialog is great, and the characters are pretty good, though.

TL;DR: Cheap sets, cheap props, great dialog, good characters.

That's Classic Who in a nutshell, and the hiatus was the means to cut down both episode count and budget as well as the reduction of episode length from 50 minutes to 23. I did notice in 1986 how the Hyperion bridge paneling had some of the same wall patterns as the Trial courtroom (definitely scraping by on set costs as I'm not entertaining the notion that the ship is also of Gallifreyan design, which was the excuse used for why Mawdryn's ship and Gallifrey from three seasons earlier had the same light fixtures).

The upside-down staplers do detract as Earthlings are outright mentioned in this story, so they're not humanoids who developed a sci-fi-funky looking gun.

So glad I'm not the only one who adores the dialogue! :D
 
Wanting to relive the exciting new world of 1987 with the early premiere of the new Doctor...

...Time and the Rani...

What a mixed bag.

Only the third time in the show's history doing a pre-credits sequence, back when these things felt special and not emptily templated, we see the regeneration sans new opening titles. And, for 1987, the titles definitely look state of the art, even if the asteroids look like crumpled up papers. The concept behind the visuals with the big band and TARDIS traveling in a bubble are the most original and innovative since the original howlround, if not slitscan.

The new opening music... great arrangement and use of the middle-8 to pad out the opening to allow less live action filming, but the instruments used were too bleeding-edge for their time and do sound tinny. But the composition is sound. No pun intended.

Interestingly, 7's very first story hints at the Cartmel Masterplan as the Doctor cites how he figured out the principles of time in part four:

MEL: Well, calm down. Let's apply a bit of logic, shall we? What is it that you can contribute that those other geniuses can't?
DOCTOR: A knowledge of time. Oh, a great discovery, I worked that out ages ago!

Now add in season 25 episodes where other bits of dialogue continue to paint a bigger picture and voila... a running arc that feels far less contrived than Iceworld/Silver Nemesis/Fenric regarding Ace being manipulated and how she saw the mum she hated as a baby (for which nobody needed a knowledge of time to realize how obvious and corny that revelation was), and so on.

Seven's mixed maxims are great, but on the verge of being overused and was a trait not often kept afterward, allowing for more qualitative moments than quantitative.

Kate O'Mara excels with what she's got on paper, which is amazing since her character could have been the Master with little rewriting needed. But finding out Bonnie Langford loved the idea of Mel being impersonated was cool - and the idea of impersonating the companion du jour is pretty novel at its core.

There's a lot of genius moments in the script, some of which requires the audience to work out on their own.

Yet the story has a lot of other moments in the script are a travesty. Especially how Tetraps have four eyes yet are moving their necks around half the time or how the Rani can patch Urak's vision into the Doctor's (obsolete) TARDIS console via her control bracelet (the communications port being as old as RS232 for modems, I'd guess and that interface is still used today, albeit not as often.)

And the less said about the campy tone, the better. The show's always been best when it's more serious, and note in occasional and various interviews that McCoy himself wanted to play the role more seriously. He was right. Most DW that has aged the best do tend to be the stories that do take themselves the most seriously.

He was also right in JNT's desire for the question mark pullover was a bit much. The umbrella and, to a lesser extent, the calling card both handled the "? = mystery" motif a lot more subtly, without the high camp, and, let's face it, the umbrella handle is a very clever way to do it. Forget Six's costume being clownish, the pullover - whose patter, ? marks aside, is something that - indeed - an adult Charlie Brown might wear (good grief).

And to top this story off? We have alien insects on the loose, a glass vial containing pre-made bee sting antidote, a bunch of Lakyrtians with zero scientific knowledge, and Ikona just destroys the vial and the liquid evaporates right enough, so how the hell can any of them figure out the chemistry needed - sans sample or bee put in a jar, no less - but that's the easiest of the "We're going to let the audience connect the dots on this bit" moments that the script has more of than you'd think.

Swap the camp and let the Rani not be so emotional (like the Master), and this would have been far higher rated. But all rolled into one, Mrs Malaprop might not be amused. It's a resounding 5/10.
 
I watched Part Two of Death to The Daleks, and it was still good.
I was kind of expecting Sara Jane's rescue to be a little complext than The Doctor just attacking the Exillons, but then again the Third Doctor is more of a fighter and man of action than most of the others, so it works with him.
I'm not to surprised the Daleks were so quick to find away around the loss of power to their weapons.
Galloway definitely went from being kind of a jerk, to an outright villain the moment he ignored Stewarts last order. And he's pretty stupid if he actually thinks his alliance with The Daleks is actually going to end well for him. I could see if the humans of this era didn't know The Daleks, but from the dialogue it sounds like they're very familiar with them, and should know their MO. I just hope Peter and Jill come to their senses and side with the Doctor since they seem like decent people.
I'm assuming the Exillon in the tunnel is one of the renegades that Galloway referred to.
 
The Face of Evil

I didn't like this back in the day when i first watched it on PBS. I was still sad that Sarah Jane had left, so I didn't think Leela was any good initially.

Rewatching this, I do like how we're revisiting a place the Doctor went to before in an off screen adventure and seeing the results. Leela is way better in this than I remember. Xoanon is a bit annoying prior the Doctor fixing it up.
 
Rewatching this, I do like how we're revisiting a place the Doctor went to before in an off screen adventure and seeing the results.

Yes, except it always annoyed me that it seemed impossible to fit into the Fourth Doctor's established history, since the serials tended to flow directly into one another and there was hardly any place to insert an unseen adventure. Terrance Dicks had to handwave it in his novelization, saying it had been during the early part of "Robot" where a disoriented Doctor slipped away in the TARDIS and came back between scenes, forgetting it afterward. It would've made so much more sense if Xoanon's face had been Hartnell's or Troughton's or even Pertwee's, except the story would've had to be quite different that way.
 
The Myth Makers, well listened to rather than watched.

I had been trying to do a complete rewatch of classic Who but then life got in the way but Toby Hadoke's recent podcast covering the missing episodes encouraged me to get back to it.

And what a delight this story is, possibly the best script of 60s Who impeccably acted and after three episodes of light comedy the change in tone is really brutal.
 
The Robots of Death

Continuing on from last night, I watched Leela's next story. The robots can be very creepy - The humanlike masks on them really lend to the uncanny valley effect. Of course there's no doubt that I like this one considering it's written by one of the Blake's 7 guys. I've liked it ever since I first saw it on PBS back in the day - despite still being grumpy that that Sarah Jane left lol.
 
The Robots of Death

Continuing on from last night, I watched Leela's next story. The robots can be very creepy - The humanlike masks on them really lend to the uncanny valley effect. Of course there's no doubt that I like this one considering it's written by one of the Blake's 7 guys. I've liked it ever since I first saw it on PBS back in the day - despite still being grumpy that that Sarah Jane left lol.
and one actor who would later go on Blake's 7, and two actors who would appear again later (Michael Collings, - Mawdryn Undead) and Pamela Salem (Remberance of the Daleks), plus reprising their characters in what would would be final roles for both with Big Finish's Robots series.
 
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