Out of the 11 constitution class starships(no 1701)how many of them mange to see 40 years of service like the enterprise and have the history as well?.
last as long as the enterprise?.
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According to Roddenberry, the Enterprise is the only ship to return from a five-year mission with vessel and crew largely intact, hence why Starfleet adopted the Enterprise insignia as the standard Starfleet insignia in 2271.
The wiggle room can be found in parsing the term "largely intact" (f'r instance, the Exeter didn't seem to suffer any major damage, but the only surviving crew member wound up being tried for gross violation of the Prime Directive) and speculating just how many starships actually went out on these missions, versus how many were assigned other duties, like border patrol, training, etc.
The wiggle room can be found in parsing the term "largely intact" (f'r instance, the Exeter didn't seem to suffer any major damage, but the only surviving crew member wound up being tried for gross violation of the Prime Directive) and speculating just how many starships actually went out on these missions, versus how many were assigned other duties, like border patrol, training, etc.
Of course, we can also dispute the validity of Roddenberry's statement, since we never heard it on screen; this chap named Roddenberry only ever appeared in the Star Trek universe as a few references in starship dedication plaques, being a Starfleet or UESPA representative... (Although he was also a noted comedian according to the list of greats that Data dug up from the computer for his study of comedy.)
We can also start arguing about the number of those starships - 11, 12 or perhaps 52? The lower the number, the easier it is to swallow the idea that NCC-1701 really stood out, that she was the lone survivor or something like that.
Timo Saloniemi
We can also start arguing about the number of those starships - 11, 12 or perhaps 52? The lower the number, the easier it is to swallow the idea that NCC-1701 really stood out, that she was the lone survivor or something like that.
Timo Saloniemi
The "Enterprise" may have seen 40 years of service, but it was significantly retrofitted at least twice--I wouldn't even call it the same ship, given the extent of changes made. But in any case...
That pretty much sums it up. There's absolutely nothing definitive, while there's plenty of theories to go around for debating... that will ultimately end up going nowhere.
Given the improvements made in starship design, I wouldn't be surprised if the 40 year mark is eventually surpassed by other starships. But we'll likely never know, unless the franchise resumes the "original timeline." Of course, there's the novels to consider, but that's purely up to unofficially sanctioned imagination.
That pretty much sums it up. There's absolutely nothing definitive, while there's plenty of theories to go around for debating... that will ultimately end up going nowhere.
Given the improvements made in starship design, I wouldn't be surprised if the 40 year mark is eventually surpassed by other starships. But we'll likely never know, unless the franchise resumes the "original timeline." Of course, there's the novels to consider, but that's purely up to unofficially sanctioned imagination.
By way of voice, he work in the Enterprise's kitchen, making meatloaf look like turkeys.
(why isn't the plural of turkey, "turkies?")
(why isn't the plural of turkey, "turkies?")
Is it because the "y" follows a vowel?
...Although if the class is four decades old, and has always suffered a loss rate like that, there must have been at least fifty ships built originally...
One wonders: how did the Space Amoeba kill its victims? Our heroes found out that the Intrepid was "dead" - this apparently meaning that her crew perished. They then found out that the Gamma VII system was "dead", too - that is, apparently it was still there but its inhabitants perished. And the Amoeba never did physical harm to Kirk's ship; instead, the ship was subjected to an energy drain that was soon speculated to have been the reason of the "deaths" of the Intrepid and the star system as well; that is, it was said to have "killed" them.
So what would have been left of the Enterprise? A lifeless but intact hull? The same may have happened to the Intrepid, allowing Starfleet to tow her to spacedock later on, fill up the fuel tanks, and give her a new crew.
Timo Saloniemi
Excellent point, sir!
One of my Trek online pet-peeves. They use 'retrofit' to refer to OLDER ships getting modern weaponry and gear. The term is 'uprating'... but Trek really screwed up over the years for this little bit of naval trivia.
"Refit" simple means to repair, re-arm and re-equip before being sent on a mission...
The reconciliation with the line in TMoST about the ships of the Enterprise's class being around for forty years and the Enterprise's launch taking place in 2245 works thusly: "Starship Class" is a rather broad classification, including the class immediately preceding the Constitution class (and thus taking care of all those >1700 registries, especially the physically-similar-yet-quite-distinct USS Constellation).
They didn't find the Intrepid. It's pretty clearly spelled out that she was eaten by the amoeba. Frankly, I was surprised that the TOS-R team didn't insert some identifiable wreckage as the Enterprise was cruising through the protoplasm.
From Spock's comment that the crew of the Intrepid didn't understand what was killing them suggests to me that they died prior to being within visual distance of the Space Amoeba. Also from Spock's reaction, the Vulcan crew died "all at once."
The Enterprise, in some way, did "something" different than the Intrepid. Kirk made a decision different than the Vulcan Captain did, or the Enterprise possessed stronger shields, or the Enterprise slowed down where the Intrepid sped up.
In Enterprise, Vulcans were strongly effected by Trelium-D, while the Humans weren't. Similarly, Vulcan could have been effected to a greater degree by the Space Amoeba than the Human aboard the Enterprise.
The amoeba had also just consumed the life force of a star system and four hundred Vulcans. It wasn't as hungry by the time the Enterprise showed up.
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