La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

[Christopher]

Yeah, why so prosecutorial? It's not like these folks are trying to pull a fast one on us. They went to an amazing amount of effort to compile and produce the most thorough TV soundtrack set in history -- and let's face it, it's a luxury item, something we're lucky to have, not something we're entitled to. We should be grateful to them for their hard work, not insinuating that they're cheating us in some way.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Hi guys,

Just to return us to an unanswered question I raised earlier in the thread if we could please ...

One of the first CDs I turned to was Spock's Brain. It's a favourite score of mine. However, I can't seem to find one particular piece. I always assumed it was from Spock's Brain but I can't find it either in the main score or on the library cues. It is repeated many times during the latter part of season three. The piece I am referring to is first played in the sickbay scene in that episode (just after McCoy has said "The brain lives on, but there is no mind!" and then during Kirk and Scotty's "That girl" "Ay"...).

So I'm assuming the short bit 33 seconds into "Awakening / Poor Spock" is different from what you're looking for?

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Hi guys,

Just to return us to an unanswered question I raised earlier in the thread if we could please ...

One of the first CDs I turned to was Spock's Brain. It's a favourite score of mine. However, I can't seem to find one particular piece. I always assumed it was from Spock's Brain but I can't find it either in the main score or on the library cues. It is repeated many times during the latter part of season three. The piece I am referring to is first played in the sickbay scene in that episode (just after McCoy has said "The brain lives on, but there is no mind!" and then during Kirk and Scotty's "That girl" "Ay"...).

So I'm assuming the short bit 33 seconds into "Awakening / Poor Spock" is different from what you're looking for?

No, it's slightly different to that.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Aside from the length, it sounds the same to me. What differences are you hearing? I can't find a similar cue in the library tracks.

 

[Dalen Quaice]

That version of the cue (in Track 17) plays earlier in Spock's Brain, right after McCoy calls Kirk to Sickbay.

 

[Christopher]

Aside from the length, it sounds the same to me. What differences are you hearing? I can't find a similar cue in the library tracks.

The same four string notes are there, but another two-note phrase overlaps the sustained fourth note, while in the bit in question, the fourth note just holds and fades out.

That version of the cue (in Track 17) plays earlier in Spock's Brain, right after McCoy calls Kirk to Sickbay.

Which isn't proof of anything by itself, since it's not unprecedented for a cue written for one scene to be tracked into a different scene in the same episode -- for instance, if the decision is made late in the process that the cue written for that moment is inadequate and needs to be replaced (as we know happened several times in TOS), or if there was no cue written for it but the decision is made in editing that it needs music after all.

 

[Dalen Quaice]

So, it could be this is an overdub, but where is the bit on the soundtrack that is used to create this? And, if it is an overdub, then why did they reuse it so often in the season? Normally, overdubs were unique to a particular episode, were they not? Can someone point to an overdub that was reused often?

 

[Christopher]

As I've tried to get across, we can't actually know the answer until we hear from Indysolo or someone else involved with the set. They're the experts here. Hopefully they'll read these comments at some point and post an explanation. Until then, whatever speculation we may engage in is not going to be very productive.

 

[JimZipCode]

we can't actually know the answer until we hear from Indysolo or someone else involved with the set. They're the experts here. Hopefully they'll read these comments at some point and post an explanation.

Indysolo seemed to be getting pretty fed up. I wouldn't be surprised if he abstained from rejoining this thread.

 

[Christopher]

Well, that would be a shame. It would settle things if we could get an authoritative answer. Not to mention that it would be a real shame if the tone of this thread drove off one of the people we owe so much to for their work in creating this set.

 

[JimZipCode]

Not to mention that it would be a real shame if the tone of this thread drove off one of the people we owe so much to for their work in creating this set.

Agreed.

But I suspect this thread will morph a few more times. We are all still in the very early stages of delving into this music. It's only been ~3 wks, right? I haven't even listened to it all. And I will probably spend time re-creating the Paradise Syndrome and Enemy Within suites from original cues, before even listening to the Duning and the rest of the Courage.

Point being, we will continue to make various discoveries in the next several weeks, and we'll post about them and kick them around a bit. We will probably get a provisional ID on Dalen's cue, and on other cues that people ask about in the future. Someone will post something interesting on one composer's evolution over seasons. Etc. So I think the tone of this thread is nowhere near finalized. I kind of expect a more collegial tone to emerge as we all get into it a bit more, and start finding answers to each other's questions.

Who knows, I myself may even mellow into someone less argumentative.

 

[Dalen Quaice]

I didn't know I had a cue... if you mean the Spock's Brain cue, it was Warlord's discovery. I have only been trying to help him.

Obviously, if you've bought the set with your hard earned money and you can't find your favorite cue, you're going to be a bit disappointed, upset, as well as a number of other emotions all mixed into one.

Anyway, real life kicks in for me shortly -- so I'll be saying goodbye for a while. As much as I would like to post here and hang out all the time, it seems impossible for me. If I've spoiled the thread for anyone, I do apologize. And I do hope Neil comes back to answer the questions...

 

[Dale Sams]

What's the name of the cue used at the end of "Gamesters of Triskelion"*? What we could also call the 'pining love' cue.

*goodbye Jim Kirk...etc...

 

[Ssosmcin]

What's the name of the cue used at the end of "Gamesters of Triskelion"*? What we could also call the 'pining love' cue.

*goodbye Jim Kirk...etc...

It's from "Metamorphosis." Actually, a combo of three cues, "It's Her / Loveliness" and "You Loved Me" (which starts as Kirk and company beam off Triskelion, which is probably what you mean), and the end of "Cochrane's Decision."

 

[JimZipCode]

Just listened to the Adonais score, finally. I'm disappointed with how little new music there is. The first ~2/3 of the score is mostly a rehash of Corbomite and Charlie X (and maybe some other stuff), with just a little Apollo fanfare added.

The last ~1/3 of the score is pretty good. But I had high expectations for the whole thing, so I'm disappointed. It is, I suppose, a very professional job, making effective use of previous material. But for listening, most of this episode might as well have been tracked.

 

[Christopher]

^Sure, the themes are reused, but there are differences in detail, and it's those variations that make it interesting to me.

 

[nickyboy]

Has anyone made any awesome covers for the CDs, like the ones made for the Ron Jones TNG boxset. I want to start importing this boxset into my itunes.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I've used the covers designed by a fella on the FSM Message Board. He made the link public for anyone who wants to use them. There are a few others out there, but I like these best.

http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/ScottDS/Star Trek TOS covers

Here are some alternates from another poster.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=9E3D...cid=9E3D126A243CC676&id=9E3D126A243CC676!3020

 

[BeatleJWOL]

We need the cue sheets.

I think we all agree that we "need" the cue sheets.

However, that seems unlikely to happen given statements by one of the producers of the set that they were unable to obtain a license from See-BS to release the cue sheets to us because they are considered internal documents. We can obviously continue to hope that this changes...

Reconfirmed this afternoon by Jeff Bond over on the FSM forums:

yes, there are cue sheets for all the episodes but those are internal Paramount documents and not to be distributed publicly.

I suppose the next step for anybody looking to recompile scores is to rip the mono broadcast audio from the Blu-ray discs...supposedly the remixed soundtracks, including the Blu-ray's 7.1 and the DVD's 5.1 mixes have a few incorrect cues that have existed for years now.

Of course, if any enterprising souls have the TOS laserdiscs and the ability to acquire the audio, that would be the ideal source for comparison, as that's what (I think it was) Neil talked about using to check what went where when compiling the set.

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Yes, in the episode the fight music does resume abruptly - there is no pause as heard on the GNP release. I happened to have this episode handy to check.

This is something worth noting as a whole on the set. Whilst the cues are presented as in the episodes they were made for, some are joined together, as they were in their intended episodes, as opposed to being 'clean'. The original Where No Man Has Gone Before soundtrack release had Force Field and Silver Orbs (Season 1, Disc 1, Track 20) as their original separate tracks (which, for instance, meant we could hear the full end of Force Field, as in The Lights of Zetar teaser). I also suspect the Starship Party cue in Is There In Truth No Beauty? (the last cue in Season 3, Disc 4, Track 2) was probably recorded as 'clean', because it's used 'clean' in several Enterprise orbit shots in other season three episodes such as The Mark Of Gideon, whereas in the set it is merged with the previous I Must Know cue as in the episode. In some ways, the set does present the 'edited' cues as opposed to totally 'clean' ones, since even in their intended episodes, merging and adjusting went on, and the set seems to follow this through for a few cues. My theory on the latter cue is speculation, of course, since the original ITITNB music has not been released before now.