Kurtzman intentionally killed Legacy?

[Dukhat]

Restoring a crashed fighter seems a bit different than having a flagship though.

(To be clear, I have zero () problems with Kronos 1 being in Starfleet hands. There's any number of reasons why it could be so.)

Maybe the Klingon equivalent museum has a Starfleet vessel there.

 

[fireproof78]

I still wonder why (in-universe) Kronos One is at the Fleet Museum and not at whatever Klingon equivalent they might have? The Bird of Prey I can kinda understand, though I imagine that being legally dubious since it was stolen property.

Probably a celebration of the Khitomer Accords.

 

[The Wormhole]

The Bird of Prey I can kinda understand, though I imagine that being legally dubious since it was stolen property.

It's odd they kept the cloaking device, given the treaty with the Romulans would have made it illegal for the Federation to keep that.

 

[cooleddie74]

"It's in a museum."

Well, yeah, I'm sure an atomic bomb casing and outer shell of a nuclear warhead are, too, but they're not ACTIVE and ready to use.

 

[Campe]

God, I’m about to get super nerdy here… goes to show I do have it in me…

Another issue with Picard season 3, not only would there likely be issues between a 130 year old Klingon Bird of Prey and a five-year old Federation Neo-Constitution Class Starship, one would think the later would be much larger as the prior only held, per Sulu “about a dozen officers and men” so how could it cloak a ship likely 4-5x its size. Geordi would have to be babying that thing like crazy to keep it in working order.

Pardon me, while I push my glasses back up my nose.

 

[Tosk]

God, I’m about to get super nerdy here… goes to show I do have it in me…

Another issue with Picard season 3, not only would there likely be issues between a 130 year old Klingon Bird of Prey and a five-year old Federation Neo-Constitution Class Starship, one would think the later would be much larger as the prior only held, per Sulu “about a dozen officers and men” so how could it cloak a ship likely 4-5x its size. Geordi would have to be babying that thing like crazy to keep it in working order.

Pardon me, while I push my glasses back up my nose.

And yet, the cloaking device from a Bird of Prey worked perfectly fine in a gigantic Negh'Var warship over on DS9.

"They're both Klingon ships!" "Yeah, but they're not remotely the same size..."

 

[UssGlenn]

As presented, it seems that the machinery is always the same size and it's merely a matter of how much energy you pump into it.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Romulan Cloaking Device in TOS was of a similar size or even smaller, and that was technology 20 years older than the cloak on Kruge's vessel. And that cloaking device cloaked an entire Constitution-class starship.

 

[Campe]

And yet, the cloaking device from a Bird of Prey worked perfectly fine in a gigantic Negh'Var warship over on DS9.

"They're both Klingon ships!" "Yeah, but they're not remotely the same size..."

I forgot about that. But the same criticism applies. Even if they are both Klingon vessels and the BoP’s from DS9 is likely more contemporaneous to the Negh’var than the Bounty is to the Titan-A.

 

[Tosk]

But the same criticism applies.

But why? Has Trek ever shown that cloaking tech requires larger devices for larger vehicles?

Quark once had one so small you could hold it in one hand. He thought it would only last for about fifteen minutes, but he said that was due to it being in poor condition rather than the size of it.

The phase cloak from the Pegasus also worked in the much larger Enterprise.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Suliban must have had pretty tiny cloaking devices. Their lifeboat-sized warp pods could cloak and two grown human adults could barely fit inside one. And that was more than 200 years before the Defiant or Negh'Var-class warships.

 

[Firebird]

In the larger scheme of things, I've never really understood why the Federation ever agreed to not develop cloaking tech of their own under the Treaty of Algeron. There's plenty of races in the Alpha and Beta quadrants that have the tech, so why make that concession to the Romulans of all people?

 

[drt]

In the larger scheme of things, I've never really understood why the Federation ever agreed to not develop cloaking tech of their own under the Treaty of Algeron. There's plenty of races in the Alpha and Beta quadrants that have the tech, so why make that concession to the Romulans of all people?

It's just another one of those non-sensical Trek things, made for TV reasons ("good guys don't sneak around") versus how it woukd work in real life.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

In the larger scheme of things, I've never really understood why the Federation ever agreed to not develop cloaking tech of their own under the Treaty of Algeron. There's plenty of races in the Alpha and Beta quadrants that have the tech, so why make that concession to the Romulans of all people?

It made the Romulans feel less threatened, so they'd calm down a bit. Calm Romulans typically keep their Warbirds on their side of the border and slow their evil scheming to one sinister plot per year, so really the Federation gave up very little and got a lot in exchange.

 

[Dukhat]

What I’d like to know is why Starfleet vessels in the year 2401 don’t all have cloaking devices. There’s no Romulan Empire to worry about anymore.

 

[Campe]

But why? Has Trek ever shown that cloaking tech requires larger devices for larger vehicles?

Quark once had one so small you could hold it in one hand. He thought it would only last for about fifteen minutes, but he said that was due to it being in poor condition rather than the size of it.

The phase cloak from the Pegasus also worked in the much larger Enterprise.

All fair. And at the end of the day, none of it matters. This is why I generally choose not to argue about any of this Treknical stuff. Because it’s all dependent on the plot machinations.

 

[fireproof78]

In the larger scheme of things, I've never really understood why the Federation ever agreed to not develop cloaking tech of their own under the Treaty of Algeron. There's plenty of races in the Alpha and Beta quadrants that have the tech, so why make that concession to the Romulans of all people?

Because of a devastating interstellar war and wanting peace. Same rationale for the DMZ.

 

[The Wormhole]

What I’d like to know is why Starfleet vessels in the year 2401 don’t all have cloaking devices. There’s no Romulan Empire to worry about anymore.

Maybe there's a similar treaty with the Romulan Free State, or whatever it was called in the first season?

 

[Tosk]

All fair. And at the end of the day, none of it matters. This is why I generally choose not to argue about any of this Treknical stuff. Because it’s all dependent on the plot machinations.

Discussion, not argument.

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe there's a similar treaty with the Romulan Free State, or whatever it was called in the first season?

Would the Romulan Free State be in a position to enforce such a treaty?

(Rhetorical question. Who knows? But probably not.)