You’re right, there was a one day break between the two
Kurtzman intentionally killed Legacy?
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Except he didn't. As Tuskin38 pointed out, they had virtually zero break between filming.
Again back to back doesn't mean what it sounds like. He literally had the entire production of season 2 to plan season 3 and totally change tones. They just didn't have every script for both season all locked in when season 2 started filming in February. Rewrites happen all the time. Season three is all Matalas. He was head showrunner for season 3.
It took seven months to produce season 2 correct? Where in that time frame could they not make decisions regarding the future of season 3?
Considering scenes for 3 were filmed during 2, along with sets like the Stargazer being built with the intention of being the Titan, I can't imagine they changed much. Which isn't even the debate at hand. Did Matalas make some changes? Sure? Probably? But he didn't do any of this in a vacuum.
Dispite what some may think, Paramount didn't just hand him a cheque for however many millions and tell him to go do whatever he wants.
Same reason superhero films end with a set up for something which often leads nowhere.
Hell, remember that mysterious wormhole thing the Jurati Borg were guarding at the end of Picard season 2? They didn't follow up on their own stuff!
Kurtzman wasn't showrunner for Disco season one and two. He was co-showrunner for seasons 3 to 5.
That's right. It was Goldsman....right?
This is correct. Don't blame Alex Kurtzman for Bryan Fuller's fuckups.
Fuller first. Then Berg and Harberts, then Kurtzman and Paradise.
Ah ok.
Do you not understand the difference of green lighting. show and a show in development?
Until your a telepath might I strongly suggest from making assumptions about what people feel or think.
You do also understand that Kurtzman's is the just the guy in charge of running the productions. He doesn't make the big decisions. Thats not his call in anyway shape or form.
I mean seriously there is not an iota of direct evidence to support a single thing you are thinking, and your pondering how you can move forward with him in charge.
WTF.
I've seriously never understood what exactly Kurtzman has done to earn the level of vitriol that is thrown at him on a daily basis.
I remember the days of the Killer B's, but it was never this.... personal. There's that certain segment of the fandom that are just deeply offended by him on a personal level and it's never made any sense to me.
So, I'm asking..... Why? What'd he do to piss you off so much?
I remember the days of the Killer B's, but it was never this.... personal. There's that certain segment of the fandom that are just deeply offended by him on a personal level and it's never made any sense to me.
So, I'm asking..... Why? What'd he do to piss you off so much?
I dunno, some of the hate directed at Berman and Braga, particularly Braga, was rather irrational. I remember one time, I tried pointing out Braga was not responsible for half of what he was blamed for, IE, he had nothing to do with Insurrection or Nemesis so it therefore made no sense to blame him for those movies. Someone actually replied to me with "that's like saying a serial killer is only guilty of killing ten out of the fifteen people he's accused of killing. He's still a heinous criminal."
The Kurtzman hate hasn't quite gotten that irrational. If anything it seems to be more about willfully ignoring the good he's done for the franchise. IE, even though Kurtzman was the one who hired Lord Terry and made the illustrious third season of Picard possible, the narrative somehow paints Lord Terry as the hero who defied Kurtzman to give the fans what they "deserved."
That's not my read of the situation, but I don't need to say anything because two people already said it for me. Quoting them below:
That may be true, but there was another factor as well. It seems like Paramount also wanted a TNG Reunion. Quoting again what Patrick Stewart said in his book Making It So.
Making It So, by Patrick Stewart, Page 435-436:
"For Season Three, our last, Terry Matalas, by then Picard's showrunner, told me that the studio wanted a full Next Generation reunion. Ugh, just what I had firmly said I didn't want. But that had been three years ago. Now I was less resistant, having enjoyed working with Jonathan, Brent, Marina, John, and Whoopi. As an executive producer, I had a say in how we might go about achieving such a reunion. I told Terry, "I like the idea, provided that we don't bring them back all at once. Let's trickle them back in.
It was essential to me that each TNG character came into the picture because he or she had a specific contribution to make and it wasn't just sentimental window dressing. If Jean-Luc had changed so much over the years, so, too, surely, had the other members of the Enterprise crew. The writers, bless them, took this to heart."
So what Terry Matalas wanted and what Paramount wanted were in alignment for Picard Season 3. It's also not out-of-line with Hollywood making late-sequels. Not just in movies but also on TV. See Fuller House, That '90s Show, and I'll even throw in Cobra Kai.EDITED TO ADD: Can't believe I left this out, but also The X-Files Seasons 10-11. And The Connors. So, it's been pretty common. Looking at it like that, I would've been more surprised if they hadn't done a TNG Reunion rather than the other way around. Especially since TOS, TNG, and the Kelvin Films are the three most recognizable versions of Star Trek to John Q. Public. It's also the reason I can see why Paramount won't let go of Star Trek 4 and just make a new Star Trek 1.
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Star Trek: Legacy was basically just an unofficial pitch by Matalas that had support from some Picard stars that teh interwebs took as an actual project in development when it really was not. It was in the same pantheon as the proposed Captain Sulu and Captain Worf series back in the day--merely star-backed campaigns that didn't make it past the receptionist's desk at Paramount's offices.
In comparison, Newsome's action-comedy series was likely a genuine pitch that went through all the proper channels, reached the people above Kurtzman who had the final say, and got the greenlight. It didn't leap-frog over Legacy because Legacy wasn't in line to begin with. The fact that there are discussions about it now, however, suggests that Legacy has at least now become a real proposal at Paramount when it actually wasn't even that originally.
In comparison, Newsome's action-comedy series was likely a genuine pitch that went through all the proper channels, reached the people above Kurtzman who had the final say, and got the greenlight. It didn't leap-frog over Legacy because Legacy wasn't in line to begin with. The fact that there are discussions about it now, however, suggests that Legacy has at least now become a real proposal at Paramount when it actually wasn't even that originally.
As for "why set up PIC this way if they didn't want a sequel" - IIRC Matalas said that he wanted to give the TNG crew a nicer send-off than Nemesis. THAT was the primary intention (other than making Paramount some sweet nostalgia-scented money, ofc). Not the idea that there might be a spin-off. AND he has said that he likes open endings. That probably also plays into why he made his badfic-come-to-life season 3 as open-ended as it is.
As for the Bermaga hate back in the ENT days... it was just as strong as the hate for Kurtzman is now, with the same arguments of "not understanding what the fans REALLY want", "canon violations", "destroying Star Trek", yadda yadda yadda. History repeats itself, is all. Only now there's social media to amplify the yelling, back then there were mostly just message boards like this one.
As for the Bermaga hate back in the ENT days... it was just as strong as the hate for Kurtzman is now, with the same arguments of "not understanding what the fans REALLY want", "canon violations", "destroying Star Trek", yadda yadda yadda. History repeats itself, is all. Only now there's social media to amplify the yelling, back then there were mostly just message boards like this one.
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