My answer to that then would be that he used a different 'cheat' in this universe.
Kobayashi Maru Test: Why did SA deal with Kirk differently?
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That would seem unlikely as the specific algorithms necessary would not change...
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That would seem unlikely as the specific algorithms necessary would not change...
wow.... now we're getting really geeky.
but even if the algorithms didn't change (which they might have if the test had a different author - any verdict yet on whether spock was the one who wrote it in TOS?) kirk had, and maybe he thought of a different method in this universe than he did in the other one.
In the novelization of the movie, it says that Kirk received his "commendation for original thinking" from Starfleet's newest admiral: Christopher Pike.
actually with the direction kirk was going in attacking the test for it also being a cheat he may have been on his way to setting up his defense.
frankly bones even says that he expected that they were going to side with kirk.
Also in the novelizeation, Kirk tells Spock on how he cheated the KM; " Orion women talk in their sleep."
In the novelization of the movie, it says that Kirk received his "commendation for original thinking" from Starfleet's newest admiral: Christopher Pike.
I like that! It's exciting!
i doubt the next movie will revisit the scenario, but for me, personally, i would love to see him get the commendation. i know at this point it isnt necessary, but again, its the geek in me that would get satisfaction out of seeing it happen.
I didn't read all of the posts in this thread so my apologies if what I say is a repeat...in the original timeline there is nothing to indicate that there wasn't a disciplinary hearing, which happened to result in Kirk getting a "commendation for original thinking."
In the new timeline, the hearing is interrupted by the crisis on Vulcan. However, Kirk later receives a promotion to Captain...due in large part to his actions in saving Earth from Nero. "Commendation for original thinking" or "Promotion to Captain"...hmmm....I would say things actually worked out better for Kirk career-wise in the Abramsverse timeline
just skimmed through so forgive me if someone has said this already. Nu Kirk undoubtablely is cocky but there seems no evidence he is getting into trouble all the time and he must be a top student since he is on the verge of graduation in three years not four so I don't think its his academy record that makes the difference
when SA call him out IIRC Kirk says that regulations say he has the right to face his accuser and Spock steps forward. in the TOS timeline Spock was serving aboard the Enterprise so could not kick up a fuss about someone screwing with his test meaning a formal disciplinary did not have to be brought.
when SA call him out IIRC Kirk says that regulations say he has the right to face his accuser and Spock steps forward. in the TOS timeline Spock was serving aboard the Enterprise so could not kick up a fuss about someone screwing with his test meaning a formal disciplinary did not have to be brought.
YES! right! <smacks forehead> spock would have been far away from all that in the original timeline. except, didn't kirk enroll at SA years earlier in that universe? i think i'm a bit out of my depth here.
That's why I love Star Trek so much. You bring in a female character and give her a purpose, and than you take that purpose away and reduce her to fan service. Not to mention that the line is just stupid considering the fact that she's DEAD.
I've seen the comics and I've played the Starfleet Academy. Both of them share the same idea on how Kirk did on the Kobayashi Maru Test and both of them are far better solutions than what we got.
It all involved Kirk communicating with the Klingon Cruiser and somehow getting them to back off. In the comics it was said that a Klingon would rather die than let something like this happen, but in the Starfleet Academy game it made more sense.
The simulations that the cadets took actually follow a story line per say. One involves a klingon commander who you end up helping by saving his son from a bad klingon. When the Kobayashi Maru test finally rears it's ugly face, the cadet you play decides to cheat, and depending on which option to follow, you can actually get some history about it from Kirk himself.
Your character than has to decide what would be the best cheat to choose from.
Choice One makes your ship indestructible. This doesn't pan out too well since the Kobayashi Maru herself is not indestructible.
Choice Two makes the klingons easier to kill. Hmm, this one sounds familiar. If you use this cheat, the klingons are indeed easier to kill, but once you destroy one, five other cruisers warp in and start firing on you and at the freighter. This cheat doesn't win the scenario.
Choice Three makes the klingons fear and respect you. Once the Klingons come into the sector, you hail them and their Captain actually answers with a barrage of death threats. Of course, the cheat simply replaced an unnamed Klingon Captain with the exact captain who's son you rescued a few missions earlier, so with a smile on his face (which is probably how they picked up on it easily), the klingon captain orders his ships to regroup while you are able to rescue the downed freighter.
Ok, so in both the comics and the games, it seems that Kirk's scenario for winning the un-winnable test didn't involve the "shoot your way out" scenario that NuKirk did. In fact, the cheat that prime kirk chose actually displayed some characteristics that most would not anticipate. Let's face it, you have klingon ships trying to destroy you and you want to save the ship. The klingons are in your way but rather than pick the option that destroys all the klingon vessels, you pick the option where no one dies.
And THAT is where I think Kirk got his commendation. Not because he cheated in general, but the methods that he used. I mean, how many gamers do you think would pick a cheat that involves making all the enemies friendly next to infinite health, ammo and lives? Kirk did the unexpected and if the scenario did happen this way, it'd provide the best set of results. The Kobayashi Maru is saved, no crew lost and there was no conflict with the klingons. NuKirk just destroyed the klingon cruisers with glee and relished his so-called success.
If you had these two test results side by side, which Kirk would you give the commendation to?
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The only "canon" explanation we're ever gotten was that Kirk reprogrammed the simulation so that it was possible to save the crew of the ship. This film serves that aspect of canon fairly well. It was never said one way or another that Spock himself programmed that test, though Spock wryly stated that Kirk's final solution was unique, having the virtue of never having been tried. I see no discrepancy here, and I think it's a great way for Spock and Kirk to meet: as adversaries on opposite ideological sides who gain a deep friendship and respect for one another..
actually we dont know.
there is a big blank for spock in between the cage and where no man.
at some time enterprise could have gone in for a refit and spock could have been assigned back at the academy for awhile.
we do know for instance that six years prior to this side of paradise that spock was back on earth for awhile when he met leila.
a big blank? how fascinating....
so, i guess we'll never know for sure whether he could have been the one writing the test when kirk was a cadet. and it could have happened originally more or less how it is in the film. cool.
anyway, as much as i thoroughly enjoyed TOS, i suppose this new film has reset everything for the most part.
so it doesn't matter a whole lot, esp. if we'll never know.
so, i guess we'll never know for sure whether he could have been the one writing the test when kirk was a cadet. and it could have happened originally more or less how it is in the film. cool.
anyway, as much as i thoroughly enjoyed TOS, i suppose this new film has reset everything for the most part.
so it doesn't matter a whole lot, esp. if we'll never know.Similar threads
