Unless history and historical fiction had been rewritten, 1984-style.
Klingons In The Mirror Universe
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Maybe the ENT mirror universe was a different one to the TOS one? I could never see why the Defiant drifting into their universe but a century earlier would be the only reason why the Empire would have the same ships! It was great to see The Defiant again but I wasn't thrilled that there was another race of Tholians just as evil as those in TOS! I would have preferred that Winkler's ship found the Defiant drifting close to a similar area of space to where the Defiant left our universe!
JB
The more I think about ENT the more I like the alt-timeline theory. But to ENT's credit, you can make a plausible case for it being 100 years before TOS, whereas DISC gleefully didn't even bother to try.
Well ENT did look more advanced than TOS to me! So unless the human race fell and was climbing back up to the stars a century later I can't see how it's the same reality!
JB
JB
Not quite what Phlox said.
You might be thinking of a passage in Diane Duane's novel Dark Mirror where Troi skims Mirror Picard's Shakespeare volume and discovers that the Mirror Universe Merchant of Venice ends with Shylock actually claiming his pound of flesh.
Can't possibly make the case, not even plausible, since Ent. interior including that awesome engine room looks more advanced than TOS engine room. Scotty would be deeply depressed if he saw NX-01's engineering. He would say to himself, "What the hell happened in 100 years???"
Both TOS and ENT engine rooms are capable of breaking the laws of physics (as we understand them) in amazing, unimaginable ways. Looks can be deceiving.
But neither of them look like a brewery, so that's one point in their favor.
I can go with that; my personal headcanon has always been WWII as the turning point, and caused by McCoy during City.... the events of one episode directly causing the events of the later one. Its why the two universes are so "close" together on a cosmic scale and can cross over so easily.... our universe was Prime, and Mirror is a splinter, created during the 23rd/20th centuries simultaneously. They are intrinsically linked.
The Mirror Universe is misunderstood as the opposite day universe. Really, it's just that instead of peace and love humans, or even 20th/21st century *morally meh* humans going into space, it was wholly morally unreformed, warlike humans going into space. And everyone upped their game against that, and everyone was influenced by that.
In different universe stories there is always a central divergence point! The only trouble is in Trek they haven't said what it was!
JB
JB
This actually falls in line with my personal headcanon, that the MU is the one where Khan WON the Eugenics Wars, and took over the entire world. He ended up being not as great a leader as he made himself out to be, and was eventually assassinated and replaced. The conditions that eventually placed Zefrem Cochrane at the same place at the same time to meet the Vulcans were a quirk of fate. Cochrane's experiment was concucted at the insistence of the new government that replaced Khan.
I go with an ancient world theory. Humans were, for eons, exactly like Mirror humans. The ancient world, and in many ways humanity until very recent centuries, was rife with heinousness. So much so that it was incorporated into the norms of what was acceptable. Mirror humans simply never evolved morally from the people who ransacked, raped, pillaged, plundered, murdered kings, stole land from farmers, enslaved, beat their wives and children as a matter of course, and the rest of those "that's the way it is" if not "this is actually good" sins.
If Khan had of conquered the world then he would never have gone into outer space to meet Kirk 'two hundred years later!'
I'm not thinking the Mirror Universe was created millennia ago but rather that it began when Cochrane killed the Vulcan emissary instead of welcoming them! (and I don't even count ENT as proper Trek either)
JB
I'm not thinking the Mirror Universe was created millennia ago but rather that it began when Cochrane killed the Vulcan emissary instead of welcoming them! (and I don't even count ENT as proper Trek either)
JB
My favourite explanation for the Mirror Universe was from the 1980's DC comics. In their version, the Mirror Universe earth lost the Romulan war and was occupied for a decade. Humans rose up, overthrew the Romulans and vowed to never let anyone do that to them again...
What you're describing is more of an alternate timeline than a parallel universe, though.
Although I used to believe that City was the point of divergence for the MU, I've now come around to thinking that there isn't any one point of divergence, the way there would be if history had been altered. The Mirror Universe is just a darker and more brutal place, and it has been for all time. That's just how things happen over there.
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