Klingon evolution?

[T'var]

So I just watched DS9 episode 104 trials and tribble-ations.
I suppose I'm nearing the end of the series.
Haven't seen voyager yet, all is not lost.
Perhaps I missed something in the episode ...
I'll get to the point.
When did Klingons get ridges in their forehead?
There was a look of surprise on Warfs face when he saw the Klingons from TOS... Dax's too.
Was there an evolution? Or just a makeup change?
Just a curious noob.

 

[Mudang Harada]

Google Memory Alpha/Memory Beta Klingons.

 

[F. King Daniel]

So I just watched DS9 episode 104 trials and tribble-ations.
I suppose I'm nearing the end of the series.
Haven't seen voyager yet, all is not lost.
Perhaps I missed something in the episode ...
I'll get to the point.
When did Klingons get ridges in their forehead?
There was a look of surprise on Warfs face when he saw the Klingons from TOS... Dax's too.
Was there an evolution? Or just a makeup change?
Just a curious noob.

The Enterprise episodes "Affliction" and "Divergence" explain it.

 

[Melakon]

The Enterprise series did a 2-parter in the 4th season giving an in-universe explanation. The change first occurred in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and Roddenberry's explanation was simply a higher makeup budget.

Ninja'd by King Daniel Into Darkness

 

[T'var]

Ohhhhh! Genetically augmented! I do recall affliction and divergence.
Just didn't register.
Thank you.

 

[Green Shirt]

Ohhhhh! Genetically augmented! I do recall affliction and divergence.
Just didn't register.
Thank you.

Just curious, what did you think the two episodes were about?

 

[Tosk]

So I just watched DS9 episode 104 trials and tribble-ations.
I suppose I'm nearing the end of the series.

Nope, you've still got two and two-thirds of a season left to go.

 

[wulfio]

It was a make up change in reality.

The augment thing is just glorified fan fiction.

 

[2takesfrakes]

As I understand it, Robert Fletcher, the costume designer for TMP, had been given a lot of freedom to come up with many of the alien designs, which was unusual, for the time. Fletcher said that Roddenberry was going to keep them more-or-less the way they were on TV and Fletcher was adamant that audiences didn't expect, or want, to see Klingons as "just folks." So, he designed the headpiece and incorporated the "spine" in the back of the standard Klingon uniform, to represent vestigile features from whatever crustacean Klingons originally evolved from. STAR TREK was very lucky to have Robert Fletcher come onboard for the TOS movies, he was extremely talented ...

 

[MacLeod]

I was reasonable happy with DSN's "We do not discuss it with outsiders". Sometimes it is best not to explain things, leave a little mystery.

 

[eyeresist]

Was there an evolution? Or just a makeup change?
Just a curious noob.

The Enterprise episodes "Affliction" and "Divergence" explain it.

But were bizarrely excluded from the Klingon fan collection.

 

[The Wormhole]

Was there an evolution? Or just a makeup change?
Just a curious noob.

The Enterprise episodes "Affliction" and "Divergence" explain it.

But were bizarrely excluded from the Klingon fan collection.

Those DVD sets were fan voted episodes. Any episodes excluded on it didn't have enough votes from the fans.

 

[USS Triumphant]

At the time of TOS, the main fleets of the Imperial Klingons were engaged in conquest of another civilization on the other side of their space. Also, civilization on Qo'nos was going through a period when less emphasis was being placed on warrior values, and more on technical skills and especially on the arts, than had been during Archer's time. Taken altogether, that meant that the Klingons Kirk and company faced were Klingon citizens and ships from loyal servitor worlds - some of which had been seeded long ago by the Preservers with samples of species from Earth.

By the time of TMP, their more distant campaigns had completed, and some Imperial Klingons did not like the status that some warriors (Kang, Kor, and Koloth, for examples) from their holdings had gained in their society. So recruitment was tapered off on the subject worlds, and there was a renewed interest in teaching the warrior ethos on the homeworld - an interest that some might say was carried too far as it continued on into the times of TNG and DS9.

(Yes, I know this is flatly contradicted by the Augment episodes of Enterprise. I don't care. Consider it my love letter to the Klingons. )

 

[USS Triumphant]

Also - the reason Worf said they don't talk about it is that Imperial Klingons are ashamed of the time that many of them ceded the honor of fighting for their people to subject races.

(Yeah. That's it. THAT'S the TICKET! )

 

[dub]

I was reasonable happy with DSN's "We do not discuss it with outsiders". Sometimes it is best not to explain things, leave a little mystery.

Same here. Plus it was just a funny line. The elephant in the room for that episode was going to be the Klingon makeup changes. Any explanation would be silly, so you might as well point it out and laugh at it. I think that was a very clever line and probably the smartest way to handle it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No idea what you're talking about? Klingons have always had ridges.

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

Klingon "evolution" is basically this:

 

[eyeresist]

The Enterprise episodes "Affliction" and "Divergence" explain it.

But were bizarrely excluded from the Klingon fan collection.

Those DVD sets were fan voted episodes. Any episodes excluded on it didn't have enough votes from the fans.

This has been gone over before, but the voting process was seriously flawed in that the bulk of votes for ENT episodes were from people who hated ENT and probably watched very little of it. They thought the pilot was okay, and then stopped watching, but heard Riker and Troi were in TATV so voted that into the Captain's Log collection - This despite all the people who actually watched the series regarding TATV as abysmal. I don't know if VOY also suffered from this "voting from ignorance" syndrome.

Anyway, the s4 Klingon arc had an intriguing story (directly related to the thread topic) and a somewhat lacklustre script, but still was actually about Klingons, as opposed to Broken Bow, in which Klingons played a small mcguffin-style part.

 

[Sector 7]

I was reasonable happy with DSN's "We do not discuss it with outsiders". Sometimes it is best not to explain things, leave a little mystery.

Same here. Plus it was just a funny line. The elephant in the room for that episode was going to be the Klingon makeup changes. Any explanation would be silly, so you might as well point it out and laugh at it. I think that was a very clever line and probably the smartest way to handle it.

Well stated... both of you. I have always believed Worf's statement was the best possible way to handle it.

 

[MikeS]

By the time of TMP, their more distant campaigns had completed, and some Imperial Klingons did not like the status that some warriors (Kang, Kor, and Koloth, for examples) from their holdings had gained in their society.

Unfortunately your (good) theory is contradicted by these very three individuals who appeared in DS9 complete with ridges. I too preferred Worf's subtle dismissal of it in DS(.