I've always assumed it was a medical dept only style meant to invoke the 'smocks" doctors and dentist used to wear.
Kirk's Tunic Color?
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I always thought that tunic was used by McCoy in the lab or when treating patients because the slick fabric would allow easier cleaning of the schmutz (you know - blood, etc.). I never thought it would be used by other areas, but I guess it would. The engineers might want to wear it when they could get oil, transmission fluid, etc. on themselves).
BTW, I wonder if the actor playing Dr. M'Benga wore the same tunic that Kelley wore. He seemed to be about the same size, and I doubt they'd create a separate tunic for a guest actor.
Doug
Saw the med tunic in person in Detroit. It is rough, but photographs shiny. And grayer than the regular science shirt. (Short sleeved b/c surgeons operate in short sleeves? All I know is from MASH!)
I think I got it a bit closer...
The trick is to focus on the area under the communications panel; it's supposed to be light blue (definitely not the lavender in the uncorrected pic).
The trick is to focus on the area under the communications panel; it's supposed to be light blue (definitely not the lavender in the uncorrected pic).
Pour beer in a clear glass. Look through it at your yard. That's the right color, I kid you not. Because it was not only greenish yellow, it was bright greenish-yellow.
And, yes, Capt.Robt.April, I think the top part in your picture matches what I saw in Motown. Go Tigers, btw; tough loss in the btm of 9th to the A's just a minute ago.
And, yes, Capt.Robt.April, I think the top part in your picture matches what I saw in Motown. Go Tigers, btw; tough loss in the btm of 9th to the A's just a minute ago.
We saw a commodore inexplicably clad in red, but were there any other officers at captain or above in anything other than the green/gold?
(In the movies, Scott has the captain pin, but the engineering sweater underneath, though Sulu got a new shirt along with his new rank.)
AFAIK, there was a Captain who wore a blue uniform in "Court Martial".
I always thought that tunic was used by McCoy in the lab or when treating patients because the slick fabric would allow easier cleaning of the schmutz (you know - blood, etc.). I never thought it would be used by other areas, but I guess it would. The engineers might want to wear it when they could get oil, transmission fluid, etc. on themselves
BTW, I wonder if the actor playing Dr. M'Benga wore the same tunic that Kelley wore. He seemed to be about the same size, and I doubt they'd create a separate tunic for a guest actor.
Doug
Saw the med tunic in person in Detroit. It is rough, but photographs shiny. And grayer than the regular science shirt. (Short sleeved b/c surgeons operate in short sleeves? All I know is from MASH!)
Short sleeves for medical smocks is a matter of practicality - more convenient and sanitary working on your patients. It's what the docs wear when they'll actually be interacting with their patients. No telling what you'd get on your cuffs in the lab or in surgery etc.
You don't want gore on your sleeves do you?
Conjecturally, I really don't see why this would seem out of the ordinary. In real-world navies one would see full Surgeon-Captains (even, in some navies, Surgeon-Commodores) and Engineering officers rise quite high too.
I'd see Commodore Stone as serving in the Operations Redshirt akin to a logistics officer or administrator (Writer-Commodore?). Quite reasonable for one of those to eventually command a starbase, I'd have thought. Line officers (command officers) aren't the only ones who make Captain/Commodore...
What I really don't understand is why later series did away with the rank of Commodore. It serves as a nice intermediary rank without being forced to include desk-bound Admirals to provide a senior character to the show's Captain... (Sweet-looking sleeve stripes too...)
Roddenberry didn't like the term "commodore"; he thought it sounded like some rich guy tooling around on his yacht. And since the US Navy has discontinued the use of the Commodore rank, he was on firm enough ground to exclude it when TNG rolled around.
I always thought that tunic was used by McCoy in the lab or when treating patients because the slick fabric would allow easier cleaning of the schmutz (you know - blood, etc.). I never thought it would be used by other areas, but I guess it would. The engineers might want to wear it when they could get oil, transmission fluid, etc. on themselves
BTW, I wonder if the actor playing Dr. M'Benga wore the same tunic that Kelley wore. He seemed to be about the same size, and I doubt they'd create a separate tunic for a guest actor.
Doug
Saw the med tunic in person in Detroit. It is rough, but photographs shiny. And grayer than the regular science shirt. (Short sleeved b/c surgeons operate in short sleeves? All I know is from MASH!)
Short sleeves for medical smocks is a matter of practicality - more convenient and sanitary working on your patients. It's what the docs wear when they'll actually be interacting with their patients. No telling what you'd get on your cuffs in the lab or in surgery etc.
You don't want gore on your sleeves do you?
No, he'd hurt my arm.
Ah... that's a shame: I rather like it, personally. And most of the world's navies still retain the Commodore rank. I think it helps to provide a dividing line between flag and other serving officer ranks...
It's strange how some fans will stick to the notion the command uniforms were yellow and it wasn't. As for comics I think the work should be presented the way the William Theiss envisioned it. The illustrations and the color technology are far in advance now then the days of GOLD KEY. The colors can accurately be done. I've chatted with IDW EIC Chris Ryall and he finds this discovery interesting and would willing to explore this but Paramount thinks the fans minds are too ignorant to be open to idea of making the colors correct. I say email Chris Ryall asking for the proper changes and he can inform Paramount that us fans are not as ignorant as we seem.
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Great idea STEPhon, but too much like right for the masses.
Exactly. And if you mix equal intensities of red, blue and green light, you get pure white light. Mixing equal amounts of the subtractive primary colors -- magenta, cyan, and yellow ink, for example -- should, in theory, create black. But instead, they make a muddy greyish brown. That's because pigments are imperfect color reflectors, and it's the reason why black ink is always used in 4-color (CMYK) process printing and copying.
And now back to our regularly scheduled topic . . .
It's not The Making of Star Trek, but rather David Gerrold's The World of Star Trek that mentions the "color freakout" of the green command shirts looking "a kind of gold" on TV screens.
Perhaps it was because the real life US Navy did. We haven't used that rank since about 1982, I think.
Yep. Just about that time it was replaced with Rear Admiral, Lower Half.
We didn't have color TV until 1975. So I spent a lot of time in the TV section of Two Guys on saturday mornings.
So my siblings and I weren 't the only ones...
No, you're not alone in that respect. Besides, we also had the every three year family vacation/road trip where we got to enjoy color TV in the Holiday Inn.
BTW, what I consider to be the nicest shots of the color of the command shirt is The Omega Glory Viewmaster reel (especially the one of Kirk in his chair). Arguably, the 3-D side view of Uhura is the best shot of those reels, but that's another subject.
The first time I saw Star Trek in color was the Viewmaster edition of Omega Glory. It was sort of revelation. By the way, we didn't get color television until 1976.
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