Kirk's Television Enterprise Deck Plans WIP
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Interesting idea about the vertical dorsal windows! It is a bit of a stretch in rationalisation, but at the same time it might help explain the "windows" on the nacelle pylons. The only difference is that the pylon windows are always dark. However, the top two windows in your link are also dark. Maybe the monitoring stations don't need to be "permanently on" after all?
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Concerning the illuminated areas in the dorsal, I believe we might be looking at passageways.
At first, I used these vertical lines in the dorsal in my draft to hint possible vertical ladders. But on second thought these wouldn't make a lot of practical sense, i.e. while you have 5 crew members descending those ladders you might have 5 guys waiting below in order to ascent.
Therefore, the ladders would have to be placed to allow the quickest passage equally for those descending and those ascending.
The way I currently envision it you have a ladder going down from the saucer and arrive at the bow of E-Deck 3. From there you take the dorsal "promenade" heading astern and descent where the vertical lights are.
It's really difficult, IMHO, to come up for practical purposes the space in the dorsal could be good for (other than cabins for the female Romulan Commander and others).
There could be gravity less than 1 g for training purposes and stuff like that.
Come to think of it, I'd say that artificial gravity control would be best located in a ship's area where there is zero gravity - because in an emergency situation and loss of artificial gravity these guys woul be immediately up to the task of fixing it, based on their daily zero g routine.
Bob
At first, I used these vertical lines in the dorsal in my draft to hint possible vertical ladders. But on second thought these wouldn't make a lot of practical sense, i.e. while you have 5 crew members descending those ladders you might have 5 guys waiting below in order to ascent.
Therefore, the ladders would have to be placed to allow the quickest passage equally for those descending and those ascending.
The way I currently envision it you have a ladder going down from the saucer and arrive at the bow of E-Deck 3. From there you take the dorsal "promenade" heading astern and descent where the vertical lights are.
It's really difficult, IMHO, to come up for practical purposes the space in the dorsal could be good for (other than cabins for the female Romulan Commander and others).
There could be gravity less than 1 g for training purposes and stuff like that.
Come to think of it, I'd say that artificial gravity control would be best located in a ship's area where there is zero gravity - because in an emergency situation and loss of artificial gravity these guys woul be immediately up to the task of fixing it, based on their daily zero g routine.
Bob
Just a quick update / discovery (before I return to the actual project).
The dialogue from "City on the Edge of Forever" provides an interesting detail suggesting the central saucer turbo lift (which otherwise remained unseen):
Captain's log, supplemental entry. Two drops of cordrazine can save a man's life. A hundred times that amount has just accidentally been pumped into Doctor McCoy's body. In a strange, wild frenzy, he has fled the ship's Bridge. All connecting decks have been placed on alert. We have no way of knowing if the madness is permanent or temporary, or in what direction it will drive McCoy.
KIRK: Continue alert, decks 4 through 11. The medical department knows as little as we do. In dosages approaching this, there's some record of wild paranoia.
What we can conclude from this information is apparently that by the end of Season One the Bridge turbolift's first exit was on Main Deck 4, it extended down to Main Deck 11 but had no direct connection to turbo lifts leading into the engineering hull.
This obviously changed in Seasons Two and Three: In Season Two we had several turbo lift rides from the warp engine room straight to the Bridge (e.g. "By Any Other Name", "The Ulitmate Computer") and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" visualized Lokai and Bele exiting the Bridge turbo lift already on Main Deck 3.
Should be interesting to see how this impacts the next revisions and the - still to be drawn - Season Three Recreation Room ("Solarium") on Main Deck 8.
Bob
The dialogue from "City on the Edge of Forever" provides an interesting detail suggesting the central saucer turbo lift (which otherwise remained unseen):
Captain's log, supplemental entry. Two drops of cordrazine can save a man's life. A hundred times that amount has just accidentally been pumped into Doctor McCoy's body. In a strange, wild frenzy, he has fled the ship's Bridge. All connecting decks have been placed on alert. We have no way of knowing if the madness is permanent or temporary, or in what direction it will drive McCoy.
KIRK: Continue alert, decks 4 through 11. The medical department knows as little as we do. In dosages approaching this, there's some record of wild paranoia.
What we can conclude from this information is apparently that by the end of Season One the Bridge turbolift's first exit was on Main Deck 4, it extended down to Main Deck 11 but had no direct connection to turbo lifts leading into the engineering hull.
This obviously changed in Seasons Two and Three: In Season Two we had several turbo lift rides from the warp engine room straight to the Bridge (e.g. "By Any Other Name", "The Ulitmate Computer") and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" visualized Lokai and Bele exiting the Bridge turbo lift already on Main Deck 3.
Should be interesting to see how this impacts the next revisions and the - still to be drawn - Season Three Recreation Room ("Solarium") on Main Deck 8.
Bob
Maybe by the time Kirk says his second bit they have already confirmed that McCoy is not on Deck 2 or Deck 3 and sealed them off? Decks 2-3 are usually considered to be rather small so it's quite possible.
A lot of Season 1 seems to portray straight up/down tubes only (with a few exceptions like the "nest" of lifts near Sickbay in TNT). Seasons 2-3 obviously have the horizontal ones, as you mentioned. However, it would require extensive rebuilding to accommodate both systems into the one vessel, assuming that's what you're suggesting...
A lot of Season 1 seems to portray straight up/down tubes only (with a few exceptions like the "nest" of lifts near Sickbay in TNT). Seasons 2-3 obviously have the horizontal ones, as you mentioned. However, it would require extensive rebuilding to accommodate both systems into the one vessel, assuming that's what you're suggesting...
I'm still pretty confident, that Main Deck 2 was erased when they lowered the Bridge dome between the second pilot and the regular series.
Or they created a tubo lift access to Deck 3 sometime after Season One.
Right now I'm considering the option that the turbo shaft leading down to the engineering hull and the vertical one extending down from the Bridge had not yet been connected by the end of Season One.
Maybe Riley had also blocked the exit doors of the vertical saucer turbo shaft, so Spock and Kirk had to take the detour we saw in "The Naked Time"?
Bob
I'm still pretty confident, that Main Deck 2 was erased when they lowered the Bridge dome between the second pilot and the regular series.
Or main deck 1 was erased in the process and the bridge was just "the bridge" before (in the high dome) with the briefing room below on deck 1. I can´t recall anyone ever talking about (main) deck 1 anyway, maybe it just doesn´t exist - it´s always "the bridge". Just a thought ...
Mario
Well, if you insist on keeping Main Deck 2 for the regular series Enterprise you'll be in a world of hurt by the time of "The Enterprise Incident". 
Assuming Main Deck 2 didn't exist anymore (after the pilots) would have made (Engineering) Deck 2 the only remaining "Deck 2" on the ship - and explain the rather long turbo lift travel of Spock and the Romulan commander.
Bob
Assuming Main Deck 2 didn't exist anymore (after the pilots) would have made (Engineering) Deck 2 the only remaining "Deck 2" on the ship - and explain the rather long turbo lift travel of Spock and the Romulan commander.
Bob
I'm not so sure - assuming that most (but not all of) Deck 2 got absorbed when the Bridge unit was lowered after WNMHGB, then a small section of it (I'm assuming the rest of the deck would contain Bridge support systems) would remain on the outer perimeter of the teardrop. But there's no reason to think this small set of rooms would be immediately accessible by the main turboshaft connecting the Bridge - instead, passengers may have to descend to the mid saucer, travel along a horizontal shaft and then rise up again to the rooms on Deck 2. Plenty of time for conversation with a certain Romulan Commander!
Well, if you insist on keeping Main Deck 2 for the regular series Enterprise you'll be in a world of hurt by the time of "The Enterprise Incident".
Not at all: There´s a mood sensor installed in the turbo lift that realised Spock and the Commander needed a minute to themselves and simply took an extended detour
Seriously, I´m not even quite sure, if the higher dome is in fact high enough to contain two full decks - we´d have to check first.
Mario
Judging from this screencap, the high dome looks at least as high as the teardrop below. But it seems to me, like neither is high enough for two full decks, more like three decks in total. Or you´d have to scale up the whole ship again from the 1080´.
Looks to me as if there were sufficient space for Deck 2, which must not necessarily feature the average deck height we encountered with the studio set.
In addition, the "tower" structure might not just sit on top of the teardrop but could actually extend into it. IIRC, that's exactly what the rough Matt Jefferies cross-section schematic suggested.
Assuming that Main Deck 2 was removed to lower the dome prior to "Mudd's Women" would not only help us to reasonably rationalize the turbo lift ride to (Engineering) Deck 2 all the way down (according to the passing shaft lights) but it would also provide us with more deck height to toy around with for the remaining 9 decks in the saucer.
Bob
You´re using a TOS-R CGI shot as evidence? I´m shocked
But I tend to agree with your assessment here - there may be enough room.I thought of that too. But that in turn would leave less space/height for the two decks of the teardrop.
... but it would also provide us with more deck height to toy around with for the remaining 9 decks in the saucer.
Placement of windows notwithstanding
Or ARE they windows at all? OK, I won't restart that debate
I have to wonder what's under the Bridge to warrant making it so tall, and what would justify removing that "something" to reduce the height of the dome later on. A meeting room is one option, but why remove it? Even if it's no longer needed for meetings, it is still useable space.
If on the other hand, the "extra something" is support and hardware (back computer banks, reserve power supplies, dedicated Bridge life support etc) then I can easily see it shrinking in size as technology advances - what took up 3 decks in Pike's time now fits into barely more than one. Swap out the old Bridge, insert the new. Job done!
I have to wonder what's under the Bridge to warrant making it so tall, and what would justify removing that "something" to reduce the height of the dome later on. A meeting room is one option, but why remove it? Even if it's no longer needed for meetings, it is still useable space.
If on the other hand, the "extra something" is support and hardware (back computer banks, reserve power supplies, dedicated Bridge life support etc) then I can easily see it shrinking in size as technology advances - what took up 3 decks in Pike's time now fits into barely more than one. Swap out the old Bridge, insert the new. Job done!
I vaguely remember there was a debate there
If we assume that the briefing room we see in WNMHGB is located on this deck 2, then the "loss" of this deck is consistent with the "loss" of the briefing room post WNMHGB. So maybe when Starfleet decided to upgrade the bridge and swap the bridge module they also decided that a briefing room directly underneath the bridge wasn´t practical for some reason.
Mario
If we assume that the briefing room we see in WNMHGB is located on this deck 2, then the "loss" of this deck is consistent with the "loss" of the briefing room post WNMHGB. So maybe when Starfleet decided to upgrade the bridge and swap the bridge module they also decided that a briefing room directly underneath the bridge wasn´t practical for some reason.
Mario
Possibly, but does there need to be a "loss" at all? While there are some areas of the ship seen only once (Phaser Control, Dilithium Regeneration Room, Environmental Engineering, Porthole Room), they were more specific to the stories they were in, so I wouldn't expect to see them very often.
Common ship areas on the other hand like the shuttlebay observation deck or the gym were seen only once (twice if you include its role as theatre), but I wouldn't take that to mean that they were no longer present at all. The circular briefing room (which we see only used for official staff meetings in The Cage) had already become the more casual briefing "lounge" by WNMHGB. As the larger, more practical briefing rooms of the main series became available to our characters (following a minor refit, no doubt) I can see the old Briefing Lounge being used exclusively as a recreation area from then on.
Common ship areas on the other hand like the shuttlebay observation deck or the gym were seen only once (twice if you include its role as theatre), but I wouldn't take that to mean that they were no longer present at all. The circular briefing room (which we see only used for official staff meetings in The Cage) had already become the more casual briefing "lounge" by WNMHGB. As the larger, more practical briefing rooms of the main series became available to our characters (following a minor refit, no doubt) I can see the old Briefing Lounge being used exclusively as a recreation area from then on.
Yes
Sorry, I couldn´t resist You´re right, it may be that we simply don´t see that particular briefing room anymore in later episodes. OTOH, the circular shape of that room calls for being located either at the center of a deck or in that circular space beneath the bridge. Agreed?
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