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Kirk's black tunic - Theories? Thoughts?

It's made from a special material that protects him from the carbonite Nero will be using.

Well, JJ said he wanted to make it more like SW. ;)

Which is why I don't understand. I liked Trek the way it was.

I like Trek the way it was too... But it was by no means perfect and even good recipes can be updated and improved.
As a matter of fact, after 40 years they must be updated and improved otherwise they die and become irrelevant.

I will most definitely give a chance to J.J. and his team and see what they can do.
i like what I see and hear so far and if I dislike it after i see the movie at least my opinion will be informed and based on facts.
 
It's made from a special material that protects him from the carbonite Nero will be using.

Well, JJ said he wanted to make it more like SW. ;)

Which is why I don't understand. I liked Trek the way it was.

I like Trek the way it was too... But it was by no means perfect and even good recipes can be updated and improved.
As a matter of fact, after 40 years they must be updated and improved otherwise they die and become irrelevant.

I will most definitely give a chance to J.J. and his team and see what they can do.
i like what I see and hear so far and if I dislike it after i see the movie at least my opinion will be informed and based on facts.

OMg LOGIC!!!!:eek:
 
Honestly, I doubt it... Kirk was around 33-34 when he took command of the Enterprise, right? Starfleet Academy is like college... It's four years or so. At least the novels allude to it being as such.

Regardless, let's play devil's advocate and say it's even 8 years. That means that Kirk would graduate at 26. There's still at lest 7 years before taking command of the Enterprise.

Besides that, Chekov's an ensign, obviously younger than everybody else. Sulu's a full lieutenant, so he's definitely been out of the academy longer. Spock and McCoy hold higher ranks, so they've also been out of the acadmy longer.

So... How could everybody be right out of the academy and hold different ranks from ensign to captain? I don't think so.

I'm betting that the scene of McCoy and Kirk in the shuttle doesn't happen at the same time as the scene on the bridge. Also, we get to see Kirk and Spock as kids... So, obviously there will be a long span of time during the length of the movie. Therefore, I think we're going to see all the characters at different points in their lives, but the scenes with all the TOS characters together on the Enterprise are obviously around the time of Where No Man Has Gone Before.

I totally agree with this assessment and the fact that Kirk served as an Ensign on the Republic and as a Lieutenant on the Farragut before taking command of the Enterprise supports this. We do know that he was fast tracked up the ranks but I hope they do not mess with canon on this, as I don't think I could accept Captain James Kirk right out of the academy.
 
Was the fact that he was an Ensign on the Republic ever mentioned on screen or was that a part of the written Star Trek fiction?
 
Was the fact that he was an Ensign on the Republic ever mentioned on screen or was that a part of the written Star Trek fiction?
It was mentioned on-screen, in the episode "Court Martial".

Ship name from the preliminary inquiry in Commodore Stone's office:

[...]
STONE: Let us begin with your relationship with Commander Finney. You knew him for a long time, didn't you?
KIRK: Yes. He was an instructor at the Academy when I was a midshipman, but that didn't stand in the way of our beginning a close friendship. His daughter Jamie, who was here last night, was named after me.
STONE: It's common knowledge that something happened to your friendship.
KIRK: It's no secret. We were assigned to the same ship some years later. I relieved him on watch once and found a circuit open to the atomic matter piles that should've been closed. Another five minutes, it could have blown up the ship.
COMPUTER: Ship nomenclature. Specify.
KIRK: United Starship Republic, number 1371.
STONE: Continue.
[...]
And rank during the court martial itself:

[...]
SHAW: I now call the personnel officer for the Enterprise.
COMPUTER: Service rank, Ensign. Position, personnel officer. Current assignment, USS Enterprise.
SHAW: In the course of your duties as personnel officer of the Enterprise, you would be familiar with the service records of all aboard?
ENSIGN: (A young Asian woman) Yes, ma'am.
SHAW: With reference to Records Officer Finney, was there in his service record a reported disciplinary action for failure to close a circuit?
ENSIGN: Yes, ma'am.
SHAW: Was the charge in that instance based upon a log entry by the officer who relieved him?
ENSIGN: Yes, ma'am.
SHAW: And who was that officer?
ENSIGN: Ensign James T. Kirk.
SHAW: Louder, please, for the court.
ENSIGN: Ensign James T. Kirk.
SHAW: Now the Captain Kirk who sits in this courtroom?
ENSIGN: Yes, ma'am.
[...]
 
That's not Kirk, its a young Captain Will Decker from TMP:p

Actually with the blonde hair Pine could have been Dekker. Age not withstanding.
 
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One theory I've thought of, and granted I'm going off EW's calling the black shirt a cadet's uniform, so this may be completely off-base...

I'm thinking the bridge we've been seeing isn't actually the Enterprise bridge, but the Kobayashi Maru simulator (and I do see the 1701 number on screen at bridge aft, humor me a second :) ).

It's here that we see the infamous sabotage Kirk did to the simulation so he could emerge victorious.

Cue the photo where Spock's trying to choke out Kirk, after figuring out what he did (again an admittedly thin postulate, since I doubt Spock would go that nuts over a classmate cheating).

Spock is convinced to let Kirk loose and storms off (or is escorted out), leaving us with the shot of the assembled crew looking off camera, with McCoy saying something to the effect of "What's up with HIM?!"

Just a theory, and one that could have a Danube-class flown through it, but there it is.
 
One theory I've thought of, and granted I'm going off EW's calling the black shirt a cadet's uniform, so this may be completely off-base...

I'm thinking the bridge we've been seeing isn't actually the Enterprise bridge, but the Kobayashi Maru simulator (and I do see the 1701 number on screen at bridge aft, humor me a second :) ).
[...]

"So I've been wondering, not much has been established about the bridge we're seeing, canonically speaking... "



;)
 
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The black shirt is the undershirt which Kirk is only allowed to wear because he has be suspended for "cheating". The others are allowed to wear the department shirts.
 
Earthling! Gorak now have your precious shiney shirt! Want shirt back, little captain man? Little captain man not feel adequate in black shirt? HAHAHAHAHA!

Meet Gorak in alley behind bar at Rigel 6!
Gorak might give shirt back, Gorak might whip puny "captain" again!

-signed-
Gorak the Opressor
 
The black shirt is the undershirt which Kirk is only allowed to wear because he has be suspended for "cheating". The others are allowed to wear the department shirts.

Yes, but if Kirk's in the academy, then Chekov should be 10 years old.
 
...I'm thinking the bridge we've been seeing isn't actually the Enterprise bridge, but the Kobayashi Maru simulator...

I had a similar thought, posted on another website...

Starfleet could be training several crews, the best of which will earn the right to command 1701 (a reason why the KM simulator would have 1701 on it). After all Kirk certainly earned his chair, it was not a birthright. If it was a cakewalk, well what’s the story in that? It HAS to be a struggle. We will all see a little bit of ourselves in Kirk’s transformation from a hormone laced young man to a true adult. Hence the allusion to the emotional nature of the film by those who have seen it.

The writers have stated that they intend to be true to cannon but will change what you know. It has been said that the few released pics hang together. It has also been said that other starfleet captains will be more substantial, something more than an artifact to make Kirk look good. Sorry guys, but the legendary Kirk is going to be taken down a peg. How?

Its about Kirk’s Kobayashi. The night before his final attempt to pass the KM, an unsure and insecure Kirk goes out for a night of boozing and womanizing (some cannon is indestructible). He has reconciled himself to failing and dropping out of starfleet. Unbeknownst to Kirk, a seriously elder Spock has communicated with the present and has his younger self modify the KM. Kirk and team, much to their disbelief (see pic), pass the exam.

The pic where Spock and Kirk appear to be in a fight is not a fight at all. Rather it is Spock surreptitiously using a Vulcan mind trick to instill the notion in Kirk that he (Kirk) has modified the KM to his advantage. Thus established is one of the largest ego’s in all history. The team heretofore weary of Kirk’s ability are suddenly in awe of his brilliance and henceforth give him their unconditional trust. Later (in Kahn), Kirk is still able to look Savvak in the face after her KM and deflect the accusation of cheating, after all it was not him who cheated (although only Spock knows this).
 
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