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Kirk the womanizer???

I think when it comes to women, Kirk falls hard and fast. And when he loses he takes that hard too.
You know that's not outside the realm of possibility. Some men (and women) can be quite guarded and usually in control, but when they do fall they fall hard.


Ok, I can maybe kinda sorta see that. Kirk is a lonely guy really. "No beach to walk on." (The Naked Time). Throughout his life he has had to forgo the possibility of settling down in a serious relationship and raising a family because of his professional life. Although he loves being a starship captain, there have been moments (in the show, movies, and in many of the novels) where he wonders if he shouldn't have settled down. Consequently, this might leave him vulnerable at times to fall in love way to quickly, he asks Rayna to run away with him. He may have just been having a lovesick moment, or maybe the Rigelian Fever was starting to set in!
 
tells him "Stay out of this. We're fighting over a woman."

Tells whom? It sounds to me as if he's trying to convince Flint, not Spock.

Before that there is the whole bit about "I can't love her, but I do love her." Kirk hurtfully tells Flint that Flint used him and demonstrated a great deal of pain in expressing this. Watch the scene again.

But that comes after Kirk has (in one interpretation) decided to fake it and see how Flint reacts. If Kirk deliberately wanted to spark jealousy, this is how he would proceed.

Also, if Kirk is not lamenting Rayna, then what exactly is Spock mind-melding him to forget during the last scene?

Why, the target of Kirk's laments, of course! Namely, the man Flint that the whole lament was all about.

It's just that McCoy is in the mistaken belief that Kirk would agonize over Rayna. But apparently he wasn't listening very well to Jim's words...

Still, all that said, I agree that the rare emotional outburst would be logically attributed to Flint playing clever chemical games with Kirk, either by directly exposing him to psyche-adjusting chemicals, or then by equipping Rayna to do so. Perhaps Flint didn't realize that Rayna would use her pheromone spray on Flint himself, too, once the competitive setup emerged? Perhaps that's why the multi-thousand-year-old wise elder lost control of himself?

...or maybe the Rigelian Fever was starting to set in!

An oft-ignored possibility...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I did an episode-by-episode breakdown of this topic nearly twenty years ago. I'll try and dig it up...

Found it. Thank you, Wayback Machine...

The Truth About Captain Kirk

Time to nip this "Kirk got laid every week" nonsense in the bud.

We'll take this one episode at a time (we'll skip "The Cage" since Kirk wasn't even in that one), always asking the question, "Did Kirk get lucky?":

"Where No Man Has Gone Before" Within the story itself, nope. Brief reference to a "little blonde lab technician" way back at the Academy, later assumed to be Carol Marcus.

"The Corbomite Maneuver" Nope. In fact, Yeoman Rand seems to annoy him more than anything else.

"Mudd's Women" No. Eve pursues Kirk, Kirk doesn't accept, Eve takes up with Ben Childress.

"The Enemy Within" Close, but no cigar. His "dark half" attempted to rape Janice Rand, and ultimately failed in that, but since that really wasn't "our" Kirk, it doesn't count.

"The Man Trap" Nope, this was McCoy's turn at bat.

"The Naked Time" Despite admitting his deeply buried feelings for Janice Rand, he pretty much confirms what he said in "The Corbomite Maneuver", that he already has a female in his life and she's named Enterprise.

"Charlie X"
Nope.

"Balance of Terror" Nope.

"What Are Little Girls Made Of?" Passes made at the android Andrea were more along the lines of trying to disrupt Corby's perfect little world so he could attempt an escape, and nothing really happened anyway, so, in the end, nope. Most of the romantic fires were being stoked between Nurse Chapel and Corby.

"Dagger of the Mind" Initially, Kirk wanted nothing to do with Helen Noel. The frequently referenced Science Lab Christmas party only yields that the two of them danced and he talked about the stars. End of story on that end. Only after Dr. Adams takes Helen's innocent fantasy suggestion and induces strong romantic passions into Kirk's mind do we see any sparks, which only results in Kirk spouting off like a bad romance novel, until he's reminded that these feelings are the result of Adams' influence, at which point he's able to reassert control. So, basically, close but no cigar.

"Miri" Miri develops a crush on Kirk. Rand bemoans that Kirk never pays any attention to her legs. Kirk's too busy trying to save everyone's lives, including the other children, to even think about a roll in the hay. Nope.

"The Conscience of the King" Flirting and some kissing on the observation deck with Lenore, that's it, and it's debatable whether or not he was simply trying to get closer to Karidian. And since she turned out to be the killer of all those survivors, it was doomed anyway. This one goes as a "not really."

"The Galileo Seven" Get real.

"Court-Martial" Within the story itself, nope, except for that final kiss on the bridge. Areel Shaw had a relationship with Kirk "four years, seven months, and an odd number of days" ago, so this reference doesn't really count.

"The Menagerie" Only one extremely vague reference to Lt. Helen Johanssen ("She only mentioned that she knew you, sir") is the only thing close in this one.

"Shore Leave" Another one from the past, Ruth, apparently from back in his Academy days or thereabouts. Doesn't seem that much really happened within the story itself, unless you count her showing up again at the end (17 episodes in and we finally might actually have Kirk getting lucky? Not a good average for an alleged womanizer....)

"The Squire of Gothos" Hardly.

"Arena" I think Uhura was the only female in the whole bloody episode....

"The Alternative Factor" Nope.

"Tomorrow is Yesterday" Nope.

"The Return of the Archons" Nope.

"A Taste of Armageddon" Not even close.

"Space Seed" Khan got all the action in this one.

"This Side of Paradise" Spock's turn.

"The Devil in the Dark" Only female in the whole thing was the Horta. Nope.

"Errand of Mercy" 1st Klingon episode. Nope.

"The City on the Edge of Forever" Ah, yes, Edith Keeler. This was true love, kids. However, to set history straight, she had to die. Thus, the crux of the story. Whether or not Kirk got lucky is dependent on how easy you think Edith was (remember, she was an idealistic social worker, so how likely is it that she'd hop into bed with this handsome stranger?), so it's debatable how far this relationship actually went.

"Operation: Annihilate!" Nope.

That's 28 episodes so far, and by my count, Kirk got lucky, during the course of the series to this point, maybe twice. Second season, folks?

"Catspaw" The romantic action in this one lasted less than one scene, once Sylvia discovered that Kirk was only using her to save his men. Have to say "nope" on this one.

"Metamorphasis" Nope.

"Friday's Child" Nope.

"Who Mourns For Adonais?" Romantic tension was between Lt. Carolyn Polamas, Scotty, and Apollo. Kirk was strictly business.

"Amok Time" Nope.

"The Doomsday Machine" You must be kidding.

"Wolf In the Fold" He didn't even get a chance to hit on that waitress before Scotty was possessed by Redjac and knifed her. Nope.

"The Changeling" Puh-leeze....

"The Apple" Nope. That was Chekov getting hot with that yeoman.

"Mirror, Mirror" Marlena was the alternate Kirk's woman, and you have to play the cards you're dealt, right? Besides, nothing happened besides a very passionate kiss (too busy trying to prevent the Halkans from being wiped out, getting assassinated by their own crew, and somehow getting home).

"The Deadly Years" Another one from the past (Janet, "six years, four months, and an odd number of days" ago), with no action within the episode itself. Nope.

"I, Mudd" Nope.

"The Trouble With Tribbles" Nope.

"Bread And Circuses" Okay, we've got that slave girl, Drusilla. We now have our, maybe, third time in 43 episodes.

"Journey to Babel" Nope. Too busy bleeding.

"A Private Little War" Although Nona tried, with the help of the Mako root, that Mugato came along and interrupted things, so, in the end, nope.

"The Gamesters of Triskelion" I was about to say "probably yes" on this one, but then I remembered that Provider One had not yet selected a mate for Shanna, and even though Kirk was definitely in the running, he certainly wouldn't be allowed to jump the gun, so this one never really got going. Nope, sorry, Shanna.

"Obsession" Nope.

"The Immunity Syndrome" Nope.

"A Piece of the Action" Nope. Shoulder massage from Krako's moll doesn't count.

"By Any Other Name" Never did get beyond making out with Kelinda in the lounge, and that was done primarily to both distract Kelinda and drive Rojan completely nuts with jealousy. Doesn't really count.

"Return To Tomorrow" Sargon kissing Thelassa while in Kirk's and Mulhall's bodies, respectively, most certainly does not count.

"Patterns of Force" Nope.

"The Ultimate Computer" Not unless you count what Starfleet tried to do to Kirk careerwise.

"The Omega Glory" Nope.

"Assignment: Earth" Uh-uh.

So far, two seasons, 55 episodes, possibly three times, and only one of those can we point to with any degree of certainty ("Bread And Circuses").

Third Season...

"Spectre of the Gun" Nope. Chekov was getting close, though.

"Elaan of Troyius" Maybe. He was in her quarters a loooong time. We'll count this one as confirmed just for argument's sake (that makes two out of a possible four so far)

"The Paradise Syndrome" Well, Miramanee was pregnant, so that pretty much ends that discussion. Up to five, with only three confirmed.

"The Enterprise Incident" Nope. Now, as for Spock, that's another argument....

"And The Children Shall Lead" Nope.

"Spock's Brain" Didn't even hit on anybody.

"Is There In Truth No Beauty?" Tried to distract Dr. Jones with a walk in the arboretum, but that was it.

"The Empath" Nope. Too busy getting tortured.

"The Tholian Web" He was barely in this one.

"For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" Nope. McCoy, on the other hand, almost assuredly did (about time, too....)

"Day of the Dove" Nope.

"Plato's Stepchildren" Kirk being telekinetically forced to kiss Uhura doesn't even remotely count (especially when, if you look closely, their lips never really meet; that was the compromise position reached when it was time to film this scene, so they could have a way out in case of a backlash).

"Wink of an Eye" Now this one is another confirmed instance (We see Kirk sitting on the bed, putting his boots back on, while Deela is busy brushing her hair; it's still a mystery how this one slipped by the censors). We are now up to six possible, with four confirmed.

"That Which Survives" Nope. As for what Losira did to the Enterprise, well....

"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" Nope.

"Whom Gods Destroy" Not exactly. Marta certainly was doing good at getting Kirk's interest up, until she pulled that knife on him. Kinda puts an end to things, doncha think?

"The Mark of Gideon" Yeah, I'll give ya this one, although I'm not willing to call this one confirmed. Kirk and Odonna certainly weren't leaving the bridge arm-in-arm to go check the antimatter flow regulators. That makes seven possible, four confirmed.

"The Lights of Zetar" Nope.

"The Cloud Minders" Nope.

"The Way To Eden" Even with a bunch of hippies on board, nope. Kirk was just too square, baby.

"Requiem For Methuselah" Hmm. I don't think this one ever progressed to the physical stage, if only because Kirk was too busy with the Enterprise crew being sick, so this gets a close, but not close enough.

"The Savage Curtain" Nope.

"All Our Yesterdays" Kirk, nope. Spock, yeah, baby, YEAH!!

"Turnabout Intruder" Maybe way back when Kirk and Janice Lester were dating, but within the story, nope.

So, out of 79 episodes, we have only seven possible instances, and only four of those can we count as confirmed.

Now, can we finally leave this horse buried?


I made a similar post on another board a long time ago that if you actually go by what is presented or highly implied on screen Spock may have gotten more or at least as much as Kirk.

With Kirk we can only be sure of Deela, Miramanee, and Drusilla. Edith Keeler I think is highly unlikely given she was a virtuous woman in the 30's. Rayna there simply wasn't an opportunity. Odonna doesn't fit in with the story. Kirk had a more protective vibe towards her and he still might not have been sure she was behind the whole thing.You can throw in Ruth, but I really don't think that should count when you do it with a real-life blow-up doll. Elaan? Mmmm toss up.

Spock almost certainly had sex with Leila and Zarabeth. It is highly implied that he and the Romulan commander had a hook up or that scene in the turbolift wouldn't have played out the way it did. And there is a part of me that always wants to say Spock and Chapel actually did have sex in Amok Time. Spock's speech towards her in his quarters always struck me as a "I am man, your a woman, lets not deny it" type of approach. It doesn't fit in with what we later learn about Pon Farr, but it is kind of funny to think about it when we see Chapel's reaction to T'Pring.
 
I did an episode-by-episode breakdown of this topic nearly twenty years ago. I'll try and dig it up...

Found it. Thank you, Wayback Machine...

The Truth About Captain Kirk

Time to nip this "Kirk got laid every week" nonsense in the bud.

We'll take this one episode at a time (we'll skip "The Cage" since Kirk wasn't even in that one), always asking the question, "Did Kirk get lucky?":

"Where No Man Has Gone Before" Within the story itself, nope. Brief reference to a "little blonde lab technician" way back at the Academy, later assumed to be Carol Marcus.

"The Corbomite Maneuver" Nope. In fact, Yeoman Rand seems to annoy him more than anything else.

"Mudd's Women" No. Eve pursues Kirk, Kirk doesn't accept, Eve takes up with Ben Childress.

"The Enemy Within" Close, but no cigar. His "dark half" attempted to rape Janice Rand, and ultimately failed in that, but since that really wasn't "our" Kirk, it doesn't count.

"The Man Trap" Nope, this was McCoy's turn at bat.

"The Naked Time" Despite admitting his deeply buried feelings for Janice Rand, he pretty much confirms what he said in "The Corbomite Maneuver", that he already has a female in his life and she's named Enterprise.

"Charlie X"
Nope.

"Balance of Terror" Nope.

"What Are Little Girls Made Of?" Passes made at the android Andrea were more along the lines of trying to disrupt Corby's perfect little world so he could attempt an escape, and nothing really happened anyway, so, in the end, nope. Most of the romantic fires were being stoked between Nurse Chapel and Corby.

"Dagger of the Mind" Initially, Kirk wanted nothing to do with Helen Noel. The frequently referenced Science Lab Christmas party only yields that the two of them danced and he talked about the stars. End of story on that end. Only after Dr. Adams takes Helen's innocent fantasy suggestion and induces strong romantic passions into Kirk's mind do we see any sparks, which only results in Kirk spouting off like a bad romance novel, until he's reminded that these feelings are the result of Adams' influence, at which point he's able to reassert control. So, basically, close but no cigar.

"Miri" Miri develops a crush on Kirk. Rand bemoans that Kirk never pays any attention to her legs. Kirk's too busy trying to save everyone's lives, including the other children, to even think about a roll in the hay. Nope.

"The Conscience of the King" Flirting and some kissing on the observation deck with Lenore, that's it, and it's debatable whether or not he was simply trying to get closer to Karidian. And since she turned out to be the killer of all those survivors, it was doomed anyway. This one goes as a "not really."

"The Galileo Seven" Get real.

"Court-Martial" Within the story itself, nope, except for that final kiss on the bridge. Areel Shaw had a relationship with Kirk "four years, seven months, and an odd number of days" ago, so this reference doesn't really count.

"The Menagerie" Only one extremely vague reference to Lt. Helen Johanssen ("She only mentioned that she knew you, sir") is the only thing close in this one.

"Shore Leave" Another one from the past, Ruth, apparently from back in his Academy days or thereabouts. Doesn't seem that much really happened within the story itself, unless you count her showing up again at the end (17 episodes in and we finally might actually have Kirk getting lucky? Not a good average for an alleged womanizer....)

"The Squire of Gothos" Hardly.

"Arena" I think Uhura was the only female in the whole bloody episode....

"The Alternative Factor" Nope.

"Tomorrow is Yesterday" Nope.

"The Return of the Archons" Nope.

"A Taste of Armageddon" Not even close.

"Space Seed" Khan got all the action in this one.

"This Side of Paradise" Spock's turn.

"The Devil in the Dark" Only female in the whole thing was the Horta. Nope.

"Errand of Mercy" 1st Klingon episode. Nope.

"The City on the Edge of Forever" Ah, yes, Edith Keeler. This was true love, kids. However, to set history straight, she had to die. Thus, the crux of the story. Whether or not Kirk got lucky is dependent on how easy you think Edith was (remember, she was an idealistic social worker, so how likely is it that she'd hop into bed with this handsome stranger?), so it's debatable how far this relationship actually went.

"Operation: Annihilate!" Nope.

That's 28 episodes so far, and by my count, Kirk got lucky, during the course of the series to this point, maybe twice. Second season, folks?

"Catspaw" The romantic action in this one lasted less than one scene, once Sylvia discovered that Kirk was only using her to save his men. Have to say "nope" on this one.

"Metamorphasis" Nope.

"Friday's Child" Nope.

"Who Mourns For Adonais?" Romantic tension was between Lt. Carolyn Polamas, Scotty, and Apollo. Kirk was strictly business.

"Amok Time" Nope.

"The Doomsday Machine" You must be kidding.

"Wolf In the Fold" He didn't even get a chance to hit on that waitress before Scotty was possessed by Redjac and knifed her. Nope.

"The Changeling" Puh-leeze....

"The Apple" Nope. That was Chekov getting hot with that yeoman.

"Mirror, Mirror" Marlena was the alternate Kirk's woman, and you have to play the cards you're dealt, right? Besides, nothing happened besides a very passionate kiss (too busy trying to prevent the Halkans from being wiped out, getting assassinated by their own crew, and somehow getting home).

"The Deadly Years" Another one from the past (Janet, "six years, four months, and an odd number of days" ago), with no action within the episode itself. Nope.

"I, Mudd" Nope.

"The Trouble With Tribbles" Nope.

"Bread And Circuses" Okay, we've got that slave girl, Drusilla. We now have our, maybe, third time in 43 episodes.

"Journey to Babel" Nope. Too busy bleeding.

"A Private Little War" Although Nona tried, with the help of the Mako root, that Mugato came along and interrupted things, so, in the end, nope.

"The Gamesters of Triskelion" I was about to say "probably yes" on this one, but then I remembered that Provider One had not yet selected a mate for Shanna, and even though Kirk was definitely in the running, he certainly wouldn't be allowed to jump the gun, so this one never really got going. Nope, sorry, Shanna.

"Obsession" Nope.

"The Immunity Syndrome" Nope.

"A Piece of the Action" Nope. Shoulder massage from Krako's moll doesn't count.

"By Any Other Name" Never did get beyond making out with Kelinda in the lounge, and that was done primarily to both distract Kelinda and drive Rojan completely nuts with jealousy. Doesn't really count.

"Return To Tomorrow" Sargon kissing Thelassa while in Kirk's and Mulhall's bodies, respectively, most certainly does not count.

"Patterns of Force" Nope.

"The Ultimate Computer" Not unless you count what Starfleet tried to do to Kirk careerwise.

"The Omega Glory" Nope.

"Assignment: Earth" Uh-uh.

So far, two seasons, 55 episodes, possibly three times, and only one of those can we point to with any degree of certainty ("Bread And Circuses").

Third Season...

"Spectre of the Gun" Nope. Chekov was getting close, though.

"Elaan of Troyius" Maybe. He was in her quarters a loooong time. We'll count this one as confirmed just for argument's sake (that makes two out of a possible four so far)

"The Paradise Syndrome" Well, Miramanee was pregnant, so that pretty much ends that discussion. Up to five, with only three confirmed.

"The Enterprise Incident" Nope. Now, as for Spock, that's another argument....

"And The Children Shall Lead" Nope.

"Spock's Brain" Didn't even hit on anybody.

"Is There In Truth No Beauty?" Tried to distract Dr. Jones with a walk in the arboretum, but that was it.

"The Empath" Nope. Too busy getting tortured.

"The Tholian Web" He was barely in this one.

"For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" Nope. McCoy, on the other hand, almost assuredly did (about time, too....)

"Day of the Dove" Nope.

"Plato's Stepchildren" Kirk being telekinetically forced to kiss Uhura doesn't even remotely count (especially when, if you look closely, their lips never really meet; that was the compromise position reached when it was time to film this scene, so they could have a way out in case of a backlash).

"Wink of an Eye" Now this one is another confirmed instance (We see Kirk sitting on the bed, putting his boots back on, while Deela is busy brushing her hair; it's still a mystery how this one slipped by the censors). We are now up to six possible, with four confirmed.

"That Which Survives" Nope. As for what Losira did to the Enterprise, well....

"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" Nope.

"Whom Gods Destroy" Not exactly. Marta certainly was doing good at getting Kirk's interest up, until she pulled that knife on him. Kinda puts an end to things, doncha think?

"The Mark of Gideon" Yeah, I'll give ya this one, although I'm not willing to call this one confirmed. Kirk and Odonna certainly weren't leaving the bridge arm-in-arm to go check the antimatter flow regulators. That makes seven possible, four confirmed.

"The Lights of Zetar" Nope.

"The Cloud Minders" Nope.

"The Way To Eden" Even with a bunch of hippies on board, nope. Kirk was just too square, baby.

"Requiem For Methuselah" Hmm. I don't think this one ever progressed to the physical stage, if only because Kirk was too busy with the Enterprise crew being sick, so this gets a close, but not close enough.

"The Savage Curtain" Nope.

"All Our Yesterdays" Kirk, nope. Spock, yeah, baby, YEAH!!

"Turnabout Intruder" Maybe way back when Kirk and Janice Lester were dating, but within the story, nope.

So, out of 79 episodes, we have only seven possible instances, and only four of those can we count as confirmed.

Now, can we finally leave this horse buried?


I made a similar post on another board a long time ago that if you actually go by what is presented or highly implied on screen Spock may have gotten more or at least as much as Kirk.

With Kirk we can only be sure of Deela, Miramanee, and Drusilla. Edith Keeler I think is highly unlikely given she was a virtuous woman in the 30's. Rayna there simply wasn't an opportunity. Odonna doesn't fit in with the story. Kirk had a more protective vibe towards her and he still might not have been sure she was behind the whole thing.You can throw in Ruth, but I really don't think that should count when you do it with a real-life blow-up doll. Elaan? Mmmm toss up.

Spock almost certainly had sex with Leila and Zarabeth. It is highly implied that he and the Romulan commander had a hook up or that scene in the turbolift wouldn't have played out the way it did. And there is a part of me that always wants to say Spock and Chapel actually did have sex in Amok Time. Spock's speech towards her in his quarters always struck me as a "I am man, your a woman, lets not deny it" type of approach. It doesn't fit in with what we later learn about Pon Farr, but it is kind of funny to think about it when we see Chapel's reaction to T'Pring.

@Captain Robert April: Nice analysis. Comprehensive and thoughtful. I wonder though if we are not meant to assume that Kirk got it on in those other episodes where there is a love/lust interest (except Miri because that would be wrong).

@The Boy Who Cried Wolf: So, when Spock asks Chapel if she would "make him some more of that plomeek soup," he's using a euphemism? I always thought that Spock was about to jump her (and she probably would not have minded) but that he caught himself and thought better of it and then settled on having another try at the soup. Chapel, ever hopeful and patient, understands and runs off to cook up some soup. The reaction to T'Pring is shared by all on the bridge due in part to the fact that Spock refers to her as his "wife." I agree that it is much funnier to read Chapel's reaction if we assume that she and Spock made the beast with two backs.
 
tells him "Stay out of this. We're fighting over a woman."
Tells whom? It sounds to me as if he's trying to convince Flint, not Spock.

Before that there is the whole bit about "I can't love her, but I do love her." Kirk hurtfully tells Flint that Flint used him and demonstrated a great deal of pain in expressing this. Watch the scene again.
But that comes after Kirk has (in one interpretation) decided to fake it and see how Flint reacts. If Kirk deliberately wanted to spark jealousy, this is how he would proceed.

Also, if Kirk is not lamenting Rayna, then what exactly is Spock mind-melding him to forget during the last scene?
Why, the target of Kirk's laments, of course! Namely, the man Flint that the whole lament was all about.

It's just that McCoy is in the mistaken belief that Kirk would agonize over Rayna. But apparently he wasn't listening very well to Jim's words...

Still, all that said, I agree that the rare emotional outburst would be logically attributed to Flint playing clever chemical games with Kirk, either by directly exposing him to psyche-adjusting chemicals, or then by equipping Rayna to do so. Perhaps Flint didn't realize that Rayna would use her pheromone spray on Flint himself, too, once the competitive setup emerged? Perhaps that's why the multi-thousand-year-old wise elder lost control of himself?

...or maybe the Rigelian Fever was starting to set in!
An oft-ignored possibility...

Timo Saloniemi


As I have said Timo, I much prefer your reading of the script and I think that had it been revised to reflect what you suggest, it would have made for a much stronger overall episode. But, I don't think the script (as played out) implies that or even tries to imply that. I think they want us to believe that Kirk really was totally smitten with Rayna. Below I posted something about Kirk having recurring melancholic thoughts where romantic love is concerned (we get a glimpse at this most eloquently in The Naked Time when Kirk laments that "he has no beach to walk on" due to the jealous demands of the ship. He later reiterates this under his breath while glancing at the unsuspecting Rand). If he was going through one of those contemplative introspective "oh I'm getting older and lonelier" phases, then that might explain his falling so hard for Rayna. But that is as far as I am willing to stretch or suspend my disbelief where that aspect of the plot is concerned.
 
I often find Timo's posts thought provoking and insightful even if I don't always agree. But in this re: "Requiem For Methuselah" I just can't buy that interpretation.
 
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A womanizer can also be someone who pursues sex with women in a lecherous manner ...
If you drop the "in a lecherous manner," you have a accurate definition of a womanizer, or a modern day player, a serial screwer. For Kirk to truely be a player it would imply that he primarily engaging in sex with women he isn't having relationships with.

For a player, it all about the pursuit, the sex and the clean disengagement. Then move on to the next kill.

:)
The only relationships Kirk was ever really looking were a meaningful temporary ones, while out in space. For unknown reasons (not because he was so "in love" with the Enterprise), he couldn't afford a long term relationship. Unfortunately, the series didn't last long enough to explain. So womanizer really applies.
 
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