Kirk & the Orion cadet- was it appropriate? Indecent? Cool?
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Okay, now you've lost me. Figuring out what constitutes "appropriate" in a PG-rated science fiction film is something that reasonable people can have an interesting discussion about. But when you start railing about "immorality" and "gays," it's obvious this isn't really about marketing or artistic issues, but about trying to impose a conservative social agenda on a franchise that has always worn its progressive, liberal, and, yes, libidinous sensibilities on it sleeve.
I hate to break it to you, but STAR TREK was created by a free-loving, hard-living, secular humanist Hollywood liberal. Expecting it to suddenly embrace traditional "family values" is like expecting a Klingon to embrace pacifism.
It ain't going to happen . . . .
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Hell, there was a whole TOS episode about Spock needing to either get laid or kill someone.
And where does one draw a line? Is sex okay if it is only implied, or not? Was the cut to a flame as Kirk and Drusilia were kissing okay? How about Kirk putting his boots back on while Deela is brushing her hair? How about Marlena's outfit?
And where does one draw a line? Is sex okay if it is only implied, or not? Was the cut to a flame as Kirk and Drusilia were kissing okay? How about Kirk putting his boots back on while Deela is brushing her hair? How about Marlena's outfit?
OutSTANDING!
Total non sequitur.
Even staying away from social commentaries, being different for the sake of being different makes no sense. Especially for a product like Star Trek, which is supposedly about humanity future. Sex is not going to go away, sorry.
I mean, if it's just to "be different" and "stand out in the crowd" in the "boring ole society", Star Trek should be recorded in black and white, with surrealist backgrounds, cacophonic soundtrack, dubbed in Esperanto and be about a purple gorilla eating mushrooms in a sunny meadow. Is that different enough?
number6
Vice Admiral
Hey.. I think you might have something there...especially in Esperanto!!
The major difficulty appears to be, that in order for the new Trek to be different in a sufficiently non-boring, non-sexy, non-gay, non-drug using(hey alcohol's a drug- no blatant bar scenes I presume- and there goes Scotty and McCoy's drug of choice) sort of way...
It wouldn't be Star Trek.
And if sex is boring, then somebody is doing something wrong. Which means they need new writers or new actors.
It wouldn't be Star Trek.
And if sex is boring, then somebody is doing something wrong. Which means they need new writers or new actors.
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
You are right, sex is not going away but why paste it on the screen for all to see just because other movies are doing it? It is done every day..give us a break, please.
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
I guarantee if the next movie or two doesn't bring in the $ expected they will have to go back to the drawing board as to what went wrong, they are smart enough to figure it out that people are getting bored of the same ole same ole and they need to change..you'll see.
Do you keep missing the posts where people mention that sex has been part of Star Trek since the beginning? Star Trek isn't suddenly adding sex to the mix because other movies do it, its been there all along.
If you want a "break" from sex, find movies that don't have it. Here's a hint: It wont be a Star Trek film.
Sex has literally been with Star Trek since the very beginning:
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With the recent box office results showing ticket sales of approximately 254 million dollars, I think they may be smart enough to realize that they just started the Star Trek gravy train rolling again. I see no evidence to support any contention that the viewing audience is bored, or will be bored with the concept, old or new, that is Star Trek.
BTW, I have the Blish novelizations, and in those, Vina the Green Goddess is completely naked during that dance session. Just pointing that out as a historical reference. I assume the adaptations were written with the assumed audience in mind, circa 1970 something.
BTW, I have the Blish novelizations, and in those, Vina the Green Goddess is completely naked during that dance session. Just pointing that out as a historical reference. I assume the adaptations were written with the assumed audience in mind, circa 1970 something.
You may want to be careful about making too many guarantees and you'll-sees at this early stage. We all heard given here the same solemn pronouncements, even as late a a month before general release, that this year's Star Trek was going to be an abysmal failure, a flop at the box office and gone from the theaters within two weeks, something which has quite clearly failed to happen. Some of those pronouncements are still the source of much amusement.
I'm also beginning to get the idea that boredom with the "same ole same ole" and concern over "what went wrong" with Star Trek are not the fundamental reasons behind your position in this discussion, and that the social and moral agenda hinted at by several posters in this thread is, as you've gone well beyond the original question and original scope of this thread (which was a single, short and not-particularly-racy scene.) That agenda may not be the impression you wished to convey, but if that really is a concern of yours -- if you think that Star Trek needs to change to suit your ideas of the way Star Trek should be -- I'm not suggesting that there's much prospect for success, but taking it up with the people now actually making Star Trek seems the course you ought to be taking, rather than talking around and around in circles on a Star Trek fans' message board.
None of us here are in a position to fix the things you have said you think are broken, and it doesn't seem likely that many of us would even be inclined to attempt what essentially amounts to "taking the Star Trek out of Star Trek", were we in a position to do so; that notion is more than 40 years too late and is, I think, a futile endeavor. I also think that this tangent has reached a dead end, as far as this discussion is concerned, and would recommend that you drop it at this time.
It's not because other movies are doing it. LOL, I was just watching The Immunity Syndrome again, and Kirk said, "...some... lovely...{Kirk looks at attractive yeoman passing him} planet." See? It's ingrained.
Logical. Flawlessly logical.
